I think the "secondary market" aspect of this list is valuable, and I don't
see any problem recommending a TIG welded alternative to a Riv model, since
Grant has done the same in the Rivendell Reader. We're not salespeople,
we're just people.
My two cents.
Philip
www.biketinker.com
On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:15:37 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> Agreed, the prices at Rivendell are very reasonable, I just dont know if
> its Kosher for people to come here and say something like hey that Atlantis
> is nice but does someone make a similar bike for less money? Just like, not
> sure if I am off base here, but not sure if its cool or not if you are
> looking for like a Saddlesack to come here first looking for a deal on a
> used one before you see if Rivendell has one new. Again, I could be off on
> that one but would hate for people to only come here looking to undercut
> Rivendell by getting only used stuff.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com
> <javascript:>>wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen anything remotely like gouging in Rivendell's prices.
>> There may be a few items where a better discount can be found elsewhere,
>> but most of the stuff I want, anyway, Rivendell has a better price than
>> even Amazon.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:50:31 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont want to speak for Joe but what I would add is if you are looking
>>> for a used Rivendell bike because a new one is out of reach that is great
>>> IMO, since it is getting you on a Rivendell and into the fold, so to speak.
>>> On the other hand, if you are asking if someone makes a bike like Rivendell
>>> for 1k cheaper, maybe not so much, maybe google that one for yourself. As
>>> for gear, if it is sold out and you put out an apb on an item to see
>>> someone has it that is fine but I try to get my gear new from Rivendell if
>>> at all possible since I think that is where most small businesses make
>>> their margins-on these so called "accessories". Just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains
>>>> aspirational. If they come here for ideas, it works.
>>>>
>>>> Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.
>>>>
>>>> Will
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little
>>>>> queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" posts
>>>>> show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle
>>>>> Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum
>>>>> dedicated
>>>>> to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion,
>>>>> of
>>>>> course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7,
>>>>> LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lyle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim <cyclo...@earthlink.net>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting
>>>>>>> excited about spring riding. Even in the parts of the world where they
>>>>>>> have real winters, things are looking good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding,
>>>>>>> there seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not
>>>>>>> related to the focus of this group. It's not to the point where it's a
>>>>>>> problem, but given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards
>>>>>>> entropy,
>>>>>>> I thought it might be a good moment to articulate it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300
>>>>>>> members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts. As
>>>>>>> I've written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more
>>>>>>> than twice that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking
>>>>>>> everyone who has continued to make this a positive and interesting
>>>>>>> discussion. I especially thank those who have been regular in
>>>>>>> sharing, answering and hanging out here since we threw the doors
>>>>>>> open.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves
>>>>>>> by what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> that Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they
>>>>>>> emphasize
>>>>>>> the things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any
>>>>>>> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just
>>>>>>> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about
>>>>>>> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about
>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've mentioned before one of the ways I think about this list - as a
>>>>>>> public house where ideas are easily shared between those who have
>>>>>>> arrived,
>>>>>>> everyone is present because they want to be, and passing through the
>>>>>>> doors
>>>>>>> means that "baggage" is left outside. It takes the agreement of all to
>>>>>>> make that work.
>>>>>>> The wonderful thing is that by and large, that continues to be the
>>>>>>> case. The quality of discussions remain high.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The slight downside is that because of the level of discourse, it
>>>>>>> periodically
>>>>>>> gets distracted. That's a very natural condition - after all, when
>>>>>>> you are with folks who have good ideas and thoughts, who manage to
>>>>>>> state them clearly and in ways that are optimistic and
>>>>>>> well-thought-through,
>>>>>>> you want to seek their opinions on other topics as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The caution flag I'd like to raise is that the very narrowness of
>>>>>>> this list is what gives rise to that high quality. It's important
>>>>>>> to remember that if you are tagging your post "OT" or "Off Topic", then
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> doesn't belong on this list. General questions are best posted to
>>>>>>> more general lists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just by staying on topic, we're going to generate a fair amount of
>>>>>>> traffic. One of the hallmarks of this list has been a very high signal
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> noise ratio. It's solid information from the people using and thinking
>>>>>>> about the items.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we've gotten to know one another pretty well, generated real,
>>>>>>> live get-togethers among the members. As the photos from recent
>>>>>>> regional rides, there's a lot to cover just within the stated topic
>>>>>>> of this group. All good stuff. No... GREAT stuff. Take a new
>>>>>>> friend riding this month, and make sure they finish with a big smile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tone is a critical issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My view is simple: life is too short. If you can't stay positive or
>>>>>>> at least polite, it's time to put down the keyboard and take a break.
>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>> all get enough guff in our everyday existence that we don't need to add
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> it here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I've said before, disagreement is expected. There's no way we
>>>>>>> will all come to the same conclusion about anything, and I think it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be a more boring world if we did. But, here, under this roof, we agree
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> disagree with respect for one another.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To finish, I'll repeat what I said in the last full-length SOTLR (wow,
>>>>>>> was it really 2010?) - it is important as we grow to honor the
>>>>>>> relatively narrow focus of this group, even though it's tempting to
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> more general topics discussed here. Clearly, it's a bit of an imperfect
>>>>>>> border, but one which we've largely maintained.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Letting discussions end as they creep toward more general topics,
>>>>>>> not having to have the last comment (or needing to "win" the argument)
>>>>>>> and,
>>>>>>> above all, maintaining the respect for one another within the group is
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> makes this list special.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As always, thanks again for contributing to or simply enjoying the
>>>>>>> discussions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Edgar / Cyclofiend.com / List Admin
>>>>>>>
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