I haven't seen anything remotely like gouging in Rivendell's prices. There
may be a few items where a better discount can be found elsewhere, but most
of the stuff I want, anyway, Rivendell has a better price than even Amazon.
On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:50:31 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>
> I dont want to speak for Joe but what I would add is if you are looking
> for a used Rivendell bike because a new one is out of reach that is great
> IMO, since it is getting you on a Rivendell and into the fold, so to speak.
> On the other hand, if you are asking if someone makes a bike like Rivendell
> for 1k cheaper, maybe not so much, maybe google that one for yourself. As
> for gear, if it is sold out and you put out an apb on an item to see
> someone has it that is fine but I try to get my gear new from Rivendell if
> at all possible since I think that is where most small businesses make
> their margins-on these so called "accessories". Just my 2 cents.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains
>> aspirational. If they come here for ideas, it works.
>>
>> Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little
>>> queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" posts
>>> show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle
>>> Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum dedicated
>>> to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, of
>>> course.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:
>>>
>>>> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> lyle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim <cyclo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting
>>>>> excited about spring riding. Even in the parts of the world where they
>>>>> have real winters, things are looking good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding,
>>>>> there seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not
>>>>> related to the focus of this group. It's not to the point where it's a
>>>>> problem, but given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards
>>>>> entropy,
>>>>> I thought it might be a good moment to articulate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300
>>>>> members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts. As I've
>>>>> written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more than twice
>>>>> that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking everyone
>>>>> who has continued to make this a positive and interesting discussion. I
>>>>> especially
>>>>> thank those who have been regular in sharing, answering and hanging
>>>>> out here since we threw the doors open.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves by
>>>>> what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't think
>>>>> that
>>>>> Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they emphasize
>>>>> the
>>>>> things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any
>>>>> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just
>>>>> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about
>>>>> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about
>>>>> either.
>>>>>
>>>>> And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've mentioned before one of the ways I think about this list - as a
>>>>> public house where ideas are easily shared between those who have
>>>>> arrived,
>>>>> everyone is present because they want to be, and passing through the
>>>>> doors
>>>>> means that "baggage" is left outside. It takes the agreement of all to
>>>>> make that work.
>>>>> The wonderful thing is that by and large, that continues to be the
>>>>> case. The quality of discussions remain high.
>>>>>
>>>>> The slight downside is that because of the level of discourse, it
>>>>> periodically
>>>>> gets distracted. That's a very natural condition - after all, when
>>>>> you are with folks who have good ideas and thoughts, who manage to
>>>>> state them clearly and in ways that are optimistic and
>>>>> well-thought-through,
>>>>> you want to seek their opinions on other topics as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The caution flag I'd like to raise is that the very narrowness of
>>>>> this list is what gives rise to that high quality. It's important to
>>>>> remember that if you are tagging your post "OT" or "Off Topic", then it
>>>>> doesn't belong on this list. General questions are best posted to
>>>>> more general lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just by staying on topic, we're going to generate a fair amount of
>>>>> traffic. One of the hallmarks of this list has been a very high signal to
>>>>> noise ratio. It's solid information from the people using and thinking
>>>>> about the items.
>>>>>
>>>>> And we've gotten to know one another pretty well, generated real, live
>>>>> get-togethers among the members. As the photos from recent regional
>>>>> rides, there's a lot to cover just within the stated topic of this
>>>>> group. All good stuff. No... GREAT stuff. Take a new friend riding
>>>>> this month, and make sure they finish with a big smile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tone is a critical issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> My view is simple: life is too short. If you can't stay positive or at
>>>>> least polite, it's time to put down the keyboard and take a break. We all
>>>>> get enough guff in our everyday existence that we don't need to add to it
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've said before, disagreement is expected. There's no way we will
>>>>> all come to the same conclusion about anything, and I think it would be a
>>>>> more boring world if we did. But, here, under this roof, we agree to
>>>>> disagree with respect for one another.
>>>>>
>>>>> To finish, I'll repeat what I said in the last full-length SOTLR (wow,
>>>>> was it really 2010?) - it is important as we grow to honor the
>>>>> relatively narrow focus of this group, even though it's tempting to have
>>>>> more general topics discussed here. Clearly, it's a bit of an imperfect
>>>>> border, but one which we've largely maintained.
>>>>>
>>>>> Letting discussions end as they creep toward more general topics, not
>>>>> having to have the last comment (or needing to "win" the argument) and,
>>>>> above all, maintaining the respect for one another within the group is
>>>>> what
>>>>> makes this list special.
>>>>>
>>>>> As always, thanks again for contributing to or simply enjoying the
>>>>> discussions.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Edgar / Cyclofiend.com / List Admin
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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