On Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:30:34 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
"Doing MAF training in my experience does not require as high a volume as 
you describe to yield results"

Thanks for the reply.  Like any training protocol, I think it really 
depends on an individual's current level of fitness, what his/her goals 
are, and what inputs we respond to. there's a lot of variability, person to 
person.  I'm certainly not opposed to riding/running slow ... I do often 
and it's integral to my training.  But a strict Maff programs wouldn't do 
anything for me unless I significantly increased my volume because there's 
no progress without some kind of training stress (Optimal Stress + Optimal 
Recovery = Optimal Progress).  With Maff, the additional stress is 
introduced with more aerobic work (training at low intensity means one can 
do longer sessions and/or train daily). 

As an example, my current target for an on-road 5k is 18:30.  I'm running 
19:xx's now at that distance on 4 runs/wk (about 20-30mpw) - long easy run, 
2 tempo runs and 1 interval run.  Only the long easy run would I be close 
to a Maff approved HR.   If I were to do each run at my Maff HR, there is 
no way my time would improve . .. rather, I'd plateau very quickly and 
there would be no improvement unless and until I added stress, either with 
more volume or some intensity.  The famous "Maffers" I know of, like Mark 
Allen, were doing *enormous* volume for months at a time (then doing a 
build/speedwork phase on top of that, by the way).

I have no doubt I could hit 18:30 on a Maff program if I could run 70-80mpw 
...that ain't gonna happen for me, so I have to introduce stress in the 
form of intensity to keep things moving in the right direction.  training 
gets really simple time is a fixed variable.  anyway, this is way off-topic 
..  .let's go offlist if you want to keep it going.  

on-topic comment: Michael's perceived lack of "punch" is most likely a very 
relative term given what I know of the commute he used to have.  Westford 
to Burlington has to be about 40mi roundtrip with a good amount of "up" in 
either direction, probably some wind to battle, tacky dirt roads .. .. 
that's a baller commute!  better believe that fellow is fit!     

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