Like Matt, I find leather saddles more comfortable without padding in my
pants. Wool Boxers under riding shorts or pants- I like MUSA fine, as well
as ZOIC.  Selle Anatomicas saddles are comfortable from the start, while
Brooks B17s take about 300 - 500 miles for me to feel that "ahh" sensation.
I ride with the nose uptilted, as many other riders do (with bars at or
higher than the saddle).  I have never liked the Brooks Team Pro. I have
one but haven't liked it enough to sit on it long enough to break it in. As
Grant noted, Brooks lasts longer than Selle Anatomica. I've worn out one
Selle, and zero Brooks saddles in the past 10 years of riding. Since you're
more likely to ride if you're comfortable on your bike, a pleasant saddle
set up is worth the money. Saddles do go on sale (another post noted
Selle's current one) if price is a sensitive issue or you can buy from a
vendor you want to support realizing that it's not a huge deal in the long
run. I've gotten one of each from RBW as it happens.

I picked up a Taiwan saddle to try, a Gyes, and do not recommend it. Not
well shaped and not comfortable. Have not tried any of the Berthoud
saddles. Talk about Rapha-esque prices...

Was given an old Italian leather saddle by Saffati which I haven't gotten
around to yet. Letting some Obenauf's work its magic presently on that one.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Matt Beebe <matthiasbe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A brooks or similar metal-frame/leather saddle takes time to break in, but
> once it is, it becomes obviously worth the money.   I've never ridden in
> special shorts or padding, just normal pants, and I can ride 135 mile days
> on this type of saddle.    BUT not straight out of the box-  it needs to
> break-in time, probably the first 1000 or so miles, plus a few rain
> showers.   After that you'll never think about the saddle again.
>
> Some folks try, but don't like, brooks saddles because they have heard the
> hype and expect them to be more comfortable right away-   but this is not
> true in my experience-  especially not with very thick hides like on the
> specials or professionals.   People who ride regularly will find any saddle
> comfortable sooner, because their legs are a bit stronger so the saddle
> does not bear as much of their weight.
>
>
>

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