Rocked SPD's for a little bit on my fixie a few years ago and hated them, especially on longer rides. The inability to change position of the foot is a deal breaker in and of itself and I didn't experience any discernible increase in power. It brings to mind a Sheldon Brown line (re: touring on a singlespeed), which goes something like "If you're in a hurry to get somewhere, why are you on a bicycle?".
I would rather have my ride setup for maximum comfort and versatility rather than gunning for a marginal increase in watts. This feels a lot like unnecessary in-fighting though, when it's just to each his own. The tone of that radio segment made me sad. Why can't the great chain of being just happily revolve? On Jul 25, 9:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Try it. Use clipless. Report. > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Mike On A Bike <shaljia...@guilford.edu> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If the best you can do is not resist the upstroke while spinning on a > > descent, how can you possibly pull up while climbing a hill? > > > On Jul 24, 10:24 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> When I climb those steep hills, I am very aware of pulling up quite > >> hard to gain extra torque, something I can't do as well with clips and > >> straps. I can feel the bike accelerate when pulling hard. > > >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > When I rode fixie for a long time I used the clipless system because I > >> > knew > >> > my foot wasnt going to come off down a descent and stick my leg into an > >> > MKS > >> > eggbeater. I always found that when climbing though clipless seemed like > >> > they limited how much i could stand up and just hammer on the pedals. I > >> > never thought upstroke was really more than hogwash, long before reading > >> > about grant's stuff. I lifted weights when I was wrestling and woudl do > >> > an > >> > exercise that looked alot like a back stroke on a bike and it made my > >> > legs > >> > burn and I had little power, I just dont think it is one that utilizes > >> > the > >> > big muscles in your legs the right way. Legs are made for pushing, not > >> > really for pulling. > > >> > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Bertin753 <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> Actually, foot retention does help when grinding a fixed 70 -- 75" gear > >> >> up > >> >> a steep hill. You can't do it for long -- half a mile, say -- but it > >> >> certainly helps. One reason I went back to clipless was that I kept > >> >> pulling > >> >> my feet out of the straps when climbing > > >> >> Patrick Moore > >> >> iPhone > > >> >> On Jul 23, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> My favorite comment of all was > > >> >> "Mike In Bklyn from Brooklyn > > >> >> Boy there was a lot of misleading info in this segment. > > >> >> On clips and pulling up on the pedals-- anyone who tries to pedal a bike > >> >> out of the saddle comes quickly to appreciate clips. And I don't know > >> >> what > >> >> kind of riding this quy has done, but he should try climbing a 9% grade > >> >> hill > >> >> and then tell me whether could do so without pulling up on pedals" Take > >> >> that grant, i bet he is always just wishing he had those clipless > >> >> pedals up > >> >> Mt Diablo, since as another guy said the ones without clips ruin our > >> >> knees. > >> >> What a bunch of mouth breathers, this is why bikesnob has just been > >> >> able to > >> >> eviscerate the culture around bikes, it can just get so silly. And > >> >> while it > >> >> is a shame not everyone can afford a Rivendell that doesnt make them > >> >> out of > >> >> reach, I mean these people should think about how much money they piss > >> >> away > >> >> on cars and gas, you will make your money back pretty fast. > > >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >>> I'm in full support of not riding with a helmet if that's what you > >> >>> choose, but stories from old guys who made it through their youths > >> >>> without > >> >>> them are easy to come by from the ones who actually made it, 'cause, ya > >> >>> know, we made it! I crashed a goodly number of times on my old > >> >>> Stingrays and > >> >>> 10-speeds, and banged my head hard a few times. I'm lucky I got away > >> >>> with > >> >>> it, and usually wear a helmet now. > > >> >>> Joe Bernard > >> >>> Vallejo, CA. > > >> >>> On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:31:38 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote: > > >> >>>> Great job Grant..........in such a limited format.....don't let some > >> >>>> of > >> >>>> doz guyz get ya down. Controversy always gets attention. Its just too > >> >>>> bad > >> >>>> many still believe the common misconceptions you often speak of. I > >> >>>> used to > >> >>>> think many of things you speak about were necessary (clipless pedals, > >> >>>> cycling specific clothing, helmets all that stuff) until I actually > >> >>>> thought > >> >>>> about it critically and remembered my youth and all the riding we did > >> >>>> without any of that stuff. I actually did ride a bicycle like most of > >> >>>> the > >> >>>> rest of the world did and still does with.........no helmet, no > >> >>>> special > >> >>>> 'kit', no special shoes, bars actually higher than my saddle, wider > >> >>>> tires > >> >>>> and no emphasis on riding all bent over like a professional racer. > >> >>>> Those > >> >>>> were some of the best bicycling years of my life.....and I didn't die > >> >>>> (thankfully) from not wearing a helmet even though I crashed more > >> >>>> than once. > > >> >>>> On Monday, July 23, 2012 12:03:20 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: > > >> >>>>> Good discussion, comments on the bottom of the page prove what an > >> >>>>> asshole place NYC is to live.... > > >> >>>>>http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/jul/23/bicycling-101/?utm_source=fe... > > >> >>> -- > >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >>> Groups > >> >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> >>>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vyCfIaWKJXwJ. > > >> >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> >>> For more options, visit this group at > >> >>>http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> >> -- > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> Groups > >> >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> >> For more options, visit this group at > >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> >> -- > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> Groups > >> >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> >> For more options, visit this group at > >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> -- > >> "When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville." > > >> Flannery O'Connor > > >> ------------------------- > >> Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA > >> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, > >> ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html > >> ------------------------- > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > "When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville." > > Flannery O'Connor > > ------------------------- > Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA > For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, > ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html > ------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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