Curious. I think track racers were much slower than road racers to adopt clipless systems. When I went to the velodrome (several years ago but long after clipless became dominant on road bikes) the only folks using clipless were the ones using their road bike pedals on the rental bikes. Virtually everybody with their own track bike used clips straps and slotted cleats. Clipless pedals were generally considered less secure, and as you observe loosing a pedal on a fixed gear at speed is much more inconvenient than it is when you can coast. I still kinda like the unique sense you get riding a fixed gear with old style cleats toe clips and straps.
On Jul 23, 9:32 pm, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote: > When I rode fixie for a long time I used the clipless system because I knew > my foot wasnt going to come off down a descent and stick my leg into an MKS > eggbeater. I always found that when climbing though clipless seemed like > they limited how much i could stand up and just hammer on the pedals. I > never thought upstroke was really more than hogwash, long before reading > about grant's stuff. I lifted weights when I was wrestling and woudl do an > exercise that looked alot like a back stroke on a bike and it made my legs > burn and I had little power, I just dont think it is one that utilizes the > big muscles in your legs the right way. Legs are made for pushing, not > really for pulling. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Bertin753 <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually, foot retention does help when grinding a fixed 70 -- 75" gear up > > a steep hill. You can't do it for long -- half a mile, say -- but it > > certainly helps. One reason I went back to clipless was that I kept pulling > > my feet out of the straps when climbing > > > Patrick Moore > > iPhone > > > On Jul 23, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > My favorite comment of all was > > > "Mike In Bklyn from Brooklyn > > > Boy there was a lot of misleading info in this segment. > > > On clips and pulling up on the pedals-- anyone who tries to pedal a bike > > out of the saddle comes quickly to appreciate clips. And I don't know what > > kind of riding this quy has done, but he should try climbing a 9% grade > > hill and then tell me whether could do so without pulling up on pedals" > > Take that grant, i bet he is always just wishing he had those clipless > > pedals up Mt Diablo, since as another guy said the ones without clips ruin > > our knees. What a bunch of mouth breathers, this is why bikesnob has just > > been able to eviscerate the culture around bikes, it can just get so silly. > > And while it is a shame not everyone can afford a Rivendell that doesnt > > make them out of reach, I mean these people should think about how much > > money they piss away on cars and gas, you will make your money back pretty > > fast. > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I'm in full support of not riding with a helmet if that's what you > >> choose, but stories from old guys who made it through their youths without > >> them are easy to come by from the ones who actually made it, 'cause, ya > >> know, we made it! I crashed a goodly number of times on my old Stingrays > >> and 10-speeds, and banged my head hard a few times. I'm lucky I got away > >> with it, and usually wear a helmet now. > > >> Joe Bernard > >> Vallejo, CA. > > >> On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:31:38 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote: > > >>> Great job Grant..........in such a limited format.....don't let some of > >>> doz guyz get ya down. Controversy always gets attention. Its just too bad > >>> many still believe the common misconceptions you often speak of. I used to > >>> think many of things you speak about were necessary (clipless pedals, > >>> cycling specific clothing, helmets all that stuff) until I actually > >>> thought > >>> about it critically and remembered my youth and all the riding we did > >>> without any of that stuff. I actually did ride a bicycle like most of the > >>> rest of the world did and still does with.........no helmet, no special > >>> 'kit', no special shoes, bars actually higher than my saddle, wider tires > >>> and no emphasis on riding all bent over like a professional racer. Those > >>> were some of the best bicycling years of my life.....and I didn't die > >>> (thankfully) from not wearing a helmet even though I crashed more than > >>> once. > > >>> On Monday, July 23, 2012 12:03:20 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: > > >>>> Good discussion, comments on the bottom of the page prove what an > >>>> asshole place NYC is to live.... > > >>>>http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/**2012/jul/23/bicycling-101/?** > >>>> utm_source=feedburner&utm_**medium=%24%7Bfeed%7D&utm_** > >>>> campaign=Feed%3A+%24%7Bbl%7D+%**28%24%7BBrian+Lehrer%7D%29<http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2012/jul/23/bicycling-101/?utm_source=fe...> > > >>> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vyCfIaWKJXwJ. > > >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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