Will agree with that assessment.  The first run of Sam Hillbornes had a 
slightly longer top tube than later runs.  My 56 fits me very well, but 
there is too much seatpost showing in a perfect world.  I have thrown my 
leg over a 60cm orange Hillborne and it fit perfectly.  So things can and 
do change.
 
My SimpleOne is a 60 and I might have been able to ride a 62 with a 7 or 
8cm stem.  In the past, had also tried a 62 Quickbeam and could barely 
throw a leg over it, and felt totally stretched out trying to reach the 
bars on that bike.
 
That said, I'd trust Rivendell to put me on the correct sized bike if I 
asked. 
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:59:22 PM UTC-5, Esteban wrote:

> I'm sure people here know this, but its worth mentioning that Riv measures 
> center-to-top, rather than center-to-center, which almost everyone else 
> uses.  Sometimes, I think, people might hear that they should be on a 60cm 
> Riv frame, which sounds ridiculous as they've always ridden 55 or 57.  But 
> a 60cm Riv is really a 58 or 58.5cm to everyone else...
>
> That being said, i think PBH is down to a science for Riv frames and Riv 
> riding.  If I really wanted to hammer, I'd go toward the lower portion of 
> my range.  If I wanted to tour, I'd go in the higher portion.  Top tube 
> really matters, so that measurement plus stem should be in consideration, 
> too.
>
>  
>
>

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