I'm sure people here know this, but its worth mentioning that Riv measures 
center-to-top, rather than center-to-center, which almost everyone else 
uses.  Sometimes, I think, people might hear that they should be on a 60cm 
Riv frame, which sounds ridiculous as they've always ridden 55 or 57.  But 
a 60cm Riv is really a 58 or 58.5cm to everyone else...

That being said, i think PBH is down to a science for Riv frames and Riv 
riding.  If I really wanted to hammer, I'd go toward the lower portion of 
my range.  If I wanted to tour, I'd go in the higher portion.  Top tube 
really matters, so that measurement plus stem should be in consideration, 
too.

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:20:26 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
>
> When I bought my used Ram frame, I was told it was a 52 cm frame, 
> which is what I have always bought. In any event, the standover was 
> about 30.5 inches, which is a bit more than the 30" I usually went 
> for, but I figured it would be fine. 
>
> It turns out that the frame was a 54 cm frame, and it works perfectly 
> for me, but I wouldn't have thought a 54 would work for me (and might 
> not have looked at it if I knew it was a 54 cm). I bought an AHH from 
> Rivendell and I was recommended a 54 cm frame, and it works great too. 
> I was kind of on the borderline, but after getting the bike, the 54 
> was definitely the right choice. 
>
> Toshi 
>

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