Jim, Thanks for the informative reply on Sam-sizing. The Trek and the Quickbeam I ride are both 64cm, but I feel I should go up to the max with a Sam, being that my saddle height is 85cm, which puts me in the 65-67cm standard frame size on Rivendell's chart. I have about 16cm of seatpost exposed on my 64's and I needed the Nitto lugged seatpost to get the right reach, with a DirtDrop stem maxed out for bar height.
So, I would LOVE for a 60cm Taiwanese Sam to fit me well, but I am concerned about undersizing given those issues. That being said, if I understand your theory right, and a 60cm Sam would effectively fit like a 66cm standard frame, I'd be all about it. Also, what is your saddle height? I'd be interested to know, because maybe with the parts I've already used to adapt a maybe-too-small 64 frame, the 60cm Sam would work with those adjustments. I emailed Keven today to begin to get my head around all of these issues, and I'm sure I'll be well taken care of by Rivendell. On Oct 25, 8:31 pm, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Mike, > What size was your Trek and what size non-sloping TT bike do you ride? I > think the largest those Treks came in was my size, 64 cm. > > But sizing is different on the Sam. My Trek touring and Rambouillet size is > 64 cm. However, the 60 cm Sam fits me just right. This is because the 6 > degrees of TT upslope compared to 2 degrees of the Ram effectively adds 4 cm > of height to the headtube. When the TT is around 60 cm long, every degree of > extra TT upslope angle adds 1 cm to the vertical position of the head lug. > That's the theory of it, and in practice, it works for me. I have a 64 Ram, a > 64 Atlantis, and a 60 Sam, and they all fit about the same. > > So if the 64 Trek fit you well, maybe a 60 cm Taiwanese Sam is your size. > When the Sams originally came out, this different "expanded" method of sizing > was meant to fit people up to about my height (6'4") and only using 4 model > sizes to do it with 60 cm being the largest. (It has since grown to 5 sizes, > adding in the 64 cm to accomodate the really tall people. A 64 Bombadil or > Sam should be like a 68 Atlantis.) > > But ask someone at Rivendell. > > -Jim W. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> > >Sent: Oct 25, 2011 3:12 PM > >To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > >Subject: [RBW] Busted Resurrectio Lug/WTB: 64cm Sam or other Riv frame > > >Damn y'all, busted the headtube lug on my restored 1986ish Trek 520 > >today. Picture of the carnage available here:http://imgur.com/FbafN > > >I noticed the fork felt really shaky when cornering for a few days, > >maybe a week, and when it felt unsafely, 'bout-to-blow shaky after a > >short ride today, I checked it out to notice a crack running all > >around the headtube lug. It managed to make it home the 3 miles I > >needed to get home, but sadly, my reclamation project and it's $300 > >powdercoat are headed for the scrapyard. > > >Given the exuberant faith we all have in lugged steel, I thought this > >bike would surely last me a decade and many thousands of miles, hence > >the steep powdercoat investment. Unfortunately, I am now down a frame > >that has all kinds of fancy Rivvish parts attached to it. I have a > >Quickbeam as my other ride, but I am now looking to upgrade to a > >Rivendell road frame. > > >I feel foolish for not just saving up for a new Sam in the first > >place, and you can tell I was pining for one by the copycat orange > >powdercoat. Alas, I am looking to get (ideally) a used 64cm Sam to > >replace this, but I'm also interested in any tall Atlantis or Rambo or > >Redwood or other stout-enough-for-touring Rivendell frames that might > >be out there. I'm sure the Waterford 64 that RBW sells is sweet, but > >the $450 markup over Taiwanese is a little rich for my blood. > > >SO, I would love to hear about any tall-person Rivendell frames that > >might be out there for sale. Sorry to abuse any illusions that lugged > >steel is indestructible, too! > > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >"RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >For more options, visit this group > >athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
