You know, I'll just put up w/ pink, wrinkly feet.  With all the
attention that's paid by us in the Riv community to walking into a
coffee shop wearing lycra....  But who in their right mind would wear
those things into....anywhere.

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "drab olive foot-apron" - Bikesnob NYC.
>
> major LOLZ.
>
> On Feb 20, 6:40 pm, Mojo <gjtra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I will third the cotton stubby hat. I throw it in a bag for
>> emergencies, like sun/rain/bugs in my eyes. Keeps the sun off my
>> 'solar sex panel' (John Hiatt lyrics). Great even for those spring-
>> like ski days. Other Riv hats just don't fit my 7 3/4" head.
>>
>> And I love my Brand V Grab Sack. Its my man purse.  What ugly badge is
>> Earl talking about? I don't even notice.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 12:49 pm, Dan Abelson <d...@abelsons.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I am a big fan of the cotton stubby.
>> > I like the look of the short bill. While the price is a bit high I think it
>> > is worth it.
>>
>> > Dan Abelson
>>
>> > On Feb 20, 2011 10:37 AM, "Earl Grey" <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Interesting post. Here are my personal reasons for the underselling
>> > > items :)
>>
>> > > Brand V Grab Sack:
>>
>> > > I have a Swiss Army gasmask bag that is very similar, albeit a bit
>> > > more narrow and taller, and uses a metal button closure. Love that
>> > > bag, take it everywhere. So the basic concept is sound, I think,
>> > > though perhaps we are all too attached to bags that attach to the
>> > > bike. My reason for NOT considering it? May seem snobbish, but I think
>> > > the Brand V logo patch is UGLY. The graphic design does not complement
>> > > the bag design at all. The fact that the RBW logo is so lovely makes
>> > > the Brand V logo even more of a crime. But actually it's the colors
>> > > that really get to me. Can't think of colors that would clash more
>> > > with the lovely tan and olive of the bag.
>>
>> > > An aside: The MUSA logo is terrible as well, mostly because it's way
>> > > too big. I do like the Sackville logo. But I bet you if all those
>> > > items simply sported some variant of the Rivendell logo, not only
>> > > would they sell better, they would also help sell more bikes. While we
>> > > are at it, while I love (most of) the model-specific head badges, I
>> > > think Rivendell is doing itself a disservice here as well, by
>> > > incurring additional cost, and missing a blatant opportunity to
>> > > strengthen the Rivendell brand (you really have to examine my
>> > > Hillborne in detail to find our who makes it). I know, I don't like
>> > > marketing either, but it's such an easy opportunity to get the
>> > > Rivendell message out to more people. Just use the lovely Rivendell
>> > > logo you have on all your in-house designed products, and don't waste
>> > > your time creating more and more brands (with ugly logos) that most
>> > > people cannot connect with Rivendell.
>>
>> > > Windshield:
>>
>> > > Again, color. Yes, safety is good, but there are other ways to be seen
>> > > from the front. If I lived in a colder climate and it came in an
>> > > interesting shade of green, or a dark grey, I'd get one.
>>
>> > > Stubby Bill caps:
>>
>> > > I have the wool stubby, and LOVE it. I think the problem here is that
>> > > Riv has a bunch of nice cotton hats at half the price, and that the
>> > > woolly one is the same price as the cotton stubby. Most folks expect
>> > > to pay less for cotton than for wool.
>>
>> > > Note Cards:
>>
>> > > Well, I have to admit it's been a long time since I wrote a card that
>> > > wasn't for my wife, and she isn't into bikes that much. Maybe that's
>> > > the problem: Perhaps Riv owners still write cards, but do we write
>> > > them to our bike buddies? We either see them regularly on rides, or we
>> > > communicate on the computer through this group and others.
>>
>> > > Ponchos:
>>
>> > > Once again, color. Admittedly bright color in a rain poncho is more
>> > > important than in a wind shirt, but I have never been a fan of primary
>> > > colors. I much prefer the orange of the rain pants for the poncho (I
>> > > know, you probably can't get that fabric in orange), and would prefer
>> > > the rain pants in black, cause pants get dirty and light colored ones
>> > > will look yucky. A bright top should be enough to be seen, no? And
>> > > yeah, considering the price of the breathable MUSA rain pants, the
>> > > poncho seems a bit over-priced.
>>
>> > > Cheers,
>>
>> > > Gernot
>>
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