I'm throwing the splats into the mix of butt-ugly stuff.  I'm already ugly but 
those things however well they work just look like some prototype high-school 
kids' project. IMHO, YMMV. 

RGZ

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On Feb 20, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a hostile reaction to the brand-v label on the handlebar bag--
> proceeded to quickly butcher it off upon arrival and effed up the
> stitching on the scotchlite strip as a result. Put a dab of shoe goo
> on the separated spot and it's fine, but yeah that really is a crappy
> looking label (unless your an Oregon Ducks fan?).
> 
> On Feb 20, 11:29 am, Earl Grey <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Interesting post. Here are my personal reasons for the underselling
>> items :)
>> 
>> Brand V Grab Sack:
>> 
>> I have a Swiss Army gasmask bag that is very similar, albeit a bit
>> more narrow and taller, and uses a metal button closure. Love that
>> bag, take it everywhere. So the basic concept is sound, I think,
>> though perhaps we are all too attached to bags that attach to the
>> bike. My reason for NOT considering it? May seem snobbish, but I think
>> the Brand V logo patch is UGLY. The graphic design does not complement
>> the bag design at all. The fact that the RBW logo is so lovely makes
>> the Brand V logo even more of a crime. But actually it's the colors
>> that really get to me. Can't think of colors that would clash more
>> with the lovely tan and olive of the bag.
>> 
>> An aside: The MUSA logo is terrible as well, mostly because it's way
>> too big. I do like the Sackville logo. But I bet you if all those
>> items simply sported some variant of the Rivendell logo, not only
>> would they sell better, they would also help sell more bikes. While we
>> are at it, while I love (most of) the model-specific head badges, I
>> think Rivendell is doing itself a disservice here as well, by
>> incurring additional cost, and missing a blatant opportunity to
>> strengthen the Rivendell brand (you really have to examine my
>> Hillborne in detail to find our who makes it). I know, I don't like
>> marketing either, but it's such an easy opportunity to get the
>> Rivendell message out to more people. Just use the lovely Rivendell
>> logo you have on all your in-house designed products, and don't waste
>> your time creating more and more brands (with ugly logos) that most
>> people cannot connect with Rivendell.
>> 
>> Windshield:
>> 
>> Again, color. Yes, safety is good, but there are other ways to be seen
>> from the front. If I lived in a colder climate and it came in an
>> interesting shade of green, or a dark grey, I'd get one.
>> 
>> Stubby Bill caps:
>> 
>> I have the wool stubby, and LOVE it. I think the problem here is that
>> Riv has a bunch of nice cotton hats at half the price, and that the
>> woolly one is the same price as the cotton stubby. Most folks expect
>> to pay less for cotton than for wool.
>> 
>> Note Cards:
>> 
>> Well, I have to admit it's been a long time since I wrote a card that
>> wasn't for my wife, and she isn't into bikes that much. Maybe that's
>> the problem: Perhaps Riv owners still write cards, but do we write
>> them to our bike buddies? We either see them regularly on rides, or we
>> communicate on the computer through this group and others.
>> 
>> Ponchos:
>> 
>> Once again, color. Admittedly bright color in a rain poncho is more
>> important than in a wind shirt, but I have never been a fan of primary
>> colors. I much prefer the orange of the rain pants for the poncho (I
>> know, you probably can't get that fabric in orange), and would prefer
>> the rain pants in black, cause pants get dirty and light colored ones
>> will look yucky. A bright top should be enough to be seen, no? And
>> yeah, considering the price of the breathable MUSA rain pants, the
>> poncho seems a bit over-priced.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Gernot
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