Obviously your priorities are in order. Great book BTW. Big proponent of nukes. 
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From: Montclair BobbyB <montclairbob...@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:06:23 
To: RBW Owners Bunch<rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
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Subject: [RBW] Re: game changer dyno hub, bikes, cars, being green etc.

Thomas Friedman couldn't have said it better... In fact (in Hot, Flat
and Crowded) he takes several pages to say as much... A real eye-
opener indeed... Perhaps we need to consume far less of everything,
and HOPE (and PRAY) the rest of the developing world still aspires to
emulate us... But I digress.  I sure would like a second Riv...

On Jan 27, 4:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree, the drag on my SON is non-noticeable and even that on the
> Shimanos is non-noticeable. And hub dynos are so *cool*! -- regardless
> of utility. (I remember an early, bike-accessory splurge, about age 12
> or 13, Delhi, circa 1968, a cheap (but shiny!) bottle and headlight
> and tail lamp combo, all chromed! Largely useless as I didn't ride at
> night except to test out the dynamo. And the drag was so bad I shortly
> got rid of it.)
>
> As for our post-petroleum future, I am not sanguine about
> electrical-ization, nyuculer power, wind energy or solar bliss. Ponder
> this: we USers use some huge % of the world's resources -- note, this
> is not a moral judgment, just a statement of fact. We get away with it
> because we have a huge country hugely gifted in natural resources and
> a small, relatively, population -- and yes, dammit, I am proud to be
> an American, even though I know we live far too large. Now: we want to
> export our American Way of Life to alla the resta the world -- 3 suvs,
> 3600 faux Tuscan villa on 1/8 acre, giant LED screens in every room,
> air conditioning to make indoor temps different from outside temps by
> 40 degrees all the time, piles of cheap Chinese made electronic junk
> cheaply shipped from China, travel to Bahamas at each quarterly
> vacation. So, 1.5B Chinese, 1.2B Indians and untold billions of others
> are yearning to imitate what they see on TV etc of our life. They try
> hard and begin to succeed. What then? Can you follow these thoughts to
> their expected conclusion? Few seem to want to think this out -- or
> else take for granted that billions will continue to rest content with
> the scraps we throw them as cheap labor for our cheap and affordable
> large living. No, we are in for a change.
>
> Someone asked Gandhi, "What do you think of western civilization?" He
> replied, "I think it would be a good idea."
>
> Patrick "when the apocalypse comes, I am doomed because my Rivs won't
> take more than 35s" Moore
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> Personally I think a dyno hub is always a good idea, regardless of
> >> season.  In the summer (even with long days) it simply extends your
> >> riding and removes daylight limitations... As far as the idea of a
> >> "clutch" mechanism
>
> > IMO, the clutch mechanism dynohub is a solution looking for a
> > problem.  The drag on my SON hub bikes is so minimal I never notice
> > it.
>
> > The clutch dyno will almost certainly have more moving parts than a
> > SON.  Maybe it should not be this way, but seems the more components
> > that make up a product, the more chance the product will malfunction.
> > Add to the mix this particular company is looking to compete pricewise
> > with the entry level dynos.
>
> > Time will tell, but I smell a bust.
>
> > On Jan 27, 11:10 am, Montclair BobbyB <montclairbob...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Personally I think a dyno hub is always a good idea, regardless of
> >> season.  In the summer (even with long days) it simply extends your
> >> riding and removes daylight limitations... As far as the idea of a
> >> "clutch" mechanism, I haven't been able to noticeably detect drag on
> >> any of the dynamo hubs I've ridden (Schmidt, Shimano, SRAM and Sturmey-
> >> Archer).  Then again, I'm not a go-fast rider, nor particularly
> >> sensitive to riding subtleties, so it would take major drag before I'd
> >> begin to notice it... not to say others won't feel it... I simply seem
> >> to be insensitive to it.
>
> >> Peace,
> >> Bobby "Ain't feelin' the drag" Birmingham
>
> >> On Jan 27, 4:43 am, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I'm looking to get one of the new dyno hubs but can't seem to get a
> >> > firm price. I'd even pay in advance. It will be getting lighter out
> >> > soon so it might be moot for me to even have one until next fall.
> >> > Seems like the timing is a little off on these.
> >> > Bikes and cars yea.....what a long discussion all that was, what with
> >> > "being green" and all......I say its all hogwash. If we do run out of
> >> > fossil fuels you can kiss our roadways goodbye we'll all be walking
> >> > like Grok eventually and society will be back in the stone age. The
> >> > fact is, we humans are too dumb to figure it out from generation to
> >> > generation and we tend to forget the lessons of the past. Its a self
> >> > correcting problem ultimately anyway. If we mess it up so bad that
> >> > life as we know it all falls apart, enough of us will die off and the
> >> > human race can start again in some  primitive way of living. The earth
> >> > will clean itself up atmospherically etc. and our bones will become
> >> > fertilizer for a future Groks vegetable garden. Until then, I intend
> >> > to ride often and live well......yes I recycle and probably live more
> >> > green than most people but I don't think it matters much in the grand
> >> > scheme of things.
> >> > In spite of my general skepticism I do think a generator hub, with a
> >> > clutch that is reliable, is a fine idea and I need lights on my
> >> > bicycle if I am to ride at night.- Hide quoted text -
>
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