Thomas Friedman couldn't have said it better... In fact (in Hot, Flat
and Crowded) he takes several pages to say as much... A real eye-
opener indeed... Perhaps we need to consume far less of everything,
and HOPE (and PRAY) the rest of the developing world still aspires to
emulate us... But I digress.  I sure would like a second Riv...

On Jan 27, 4:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree, the drag on my SON is non-noticeable and even that on the
> Shimanos is non-noticeable. And hub dynos are so *cool*! -- regardless
> of utility. (I remember an early, bike-accessory splurge, about age 12
> or 13, Delhi, circa 1968, a cheap (but shiny!) bottle and headlight
> and tail lamp combo, all chromed! Largely useless as I didn't ride at
> night except to test out the dynamo. And the drag was so bad I shortly
> got rid of it.)
>
> As for our post-petroleum future, I am not sanguine about
> electrical-ization, nyuculer power, wind energy or solar bliss. Ponder
> this: we USers use some huge % of the world's resources -- note, this
> is not a moral judgment, just a statement of fact. We get away with it
> because we have a huge country hugely gifted in natural resources and
> a small, relatively, population -- and yes, dammit, I am proud to be
> an American, even though I know we live far too large. Now: we want to
> export our American Way of Life to alla the resta the world -- 3 suvs,
> 3600 faux Tuscan villa on 1/8 acre, giant LED screens in every room,
> air conditioning to make indoor temps different from outside temps by
> 40 degrees all the time, piles of cheap Chinese made electronic junk
> cheaply shipped from China, travel to Bahamas at each quarterly
> vacation. So, 1.5B Chinese, 1.2B Indians and untold billions of others
> are yearning to imitate what they see on TV etc of our life. They try
> hard and begin to succeed. What then? Can you follow these thoughts to
> their expected conclusion? Few seem to want to think this out -- or
> else take for granted that billions will continue to rest content with
> the scraps we throw them as cheap labor for our cheap and affordable
> large living. No, we are in for a change.
>
> Someone asked Gandhi, "What do you think of western civilization?" He
> replied, "I think it would be a good idea."
>
> Patrick "when the apocalypse comes, I am doomed because my Rivs won't
> take more than 35s" Moore
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> Personally I think a dyno hub is always a good idea, regardless of
> >> season.  In the summer (even with long days) it simply extends your
> >> riding and removes daylight limitations... As far as the idea of a
> >> "clutch" mechanism
>
> > IMO, the clutch mechanism dynohub is a solution looking for a
> > problem.  The drag on my SON hub bikes is so minimal I never notice
> > it.
>
> > The clutch dyno will almost certainly have more moving parts than a
> > SON.  Maybe it should not be this way, but seems the more components
> > that make up a product, the more chance the product will malfunction.
> > Add to the mix this particular company is looking to compete pricewise
> > with the entry level dynos.
>
> > Time will tell, but I smell a bust.
>
> > On Jan 27, 11:10 am, Montclair BobbyB <montclairbob...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Personally I think a dyno hub is always a good idea, regardless of
> >> season.  In the summer (even with long days) it simply extends your
> >> riding and removes daylight limitations... As far as the idea of a
> >> "clutch" mechanism, I haven't been able to noticeably detect drag on
> >> any of the dynamo hubs I've ridden (Schmidt, Shimano, SRAM and Sturmey-
> >> Archer).  Then again, I'm not a go-fast rider, nor particularly
> >> sensitive to riding subtleties, so it would take major drag before I'd
> >> begin to notice it... not to say others won't feel it... I simply seem
> >> to be insensitive to it.
>
> >> Peace,
> >> Bobby "Ain't feelin' the drag" Birmingham
>
> >> On Jan 27, 4:43 am, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > I'm looking to get one of the new dyno hubs but can't seem to get a
> >> > firm price. I'd even pay in advance. It will be getting lighter out
> >> > soon so it might be moot for me to even have one until next fall.
> >> > Seems like the timing is a little off on these.
> >> > Bikes and cars yea.....what a long discussion all that was, what with
> >> > "being green" and all......I say its all hogwash. If we do run out of
> >> > fossil fuels you can kiss our roadways goodbye we'll all be walking
> >> > like Grok eventually and society will be back in the stone age. The
> >> > fact is, we humans are too dumb to figure it out from generation to
> >> > generation and we tend to forget the lessons of the past. Its a self
> >> > correcting problem ultimately anyway. If we mess it up so bad that
> >> > life as we know it all falls apart, enough of us will die off and the
> >> > human race can start again in some  primitive way of living. The earth
> >> > will clean itself up atmospherically etc. and our bones will become
> >> > fertilizer for a future Groks vegetable garden. Until then, I intend
> >> > to ride often and live well......yes I recycle and probably live more
> >> > green than most people but I don't think it matters much in the grand
> >> > scheme of things.
> >> > In spite of my general skepticism I do think a generator hub, with a
> >> > clutch that is reliable, is a fine idea and I need lights on my
> >> > bicycle if I am to ride at night.- Hide quoted text -
>
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