My 2007 Hilsen was made by Waterford. It took awhile because the story I got 
from Rivendell was that Grant was not happy with the fork and was having Mark 
Nobilette build it.
Bill - who loves his Homer and thinks the fork was waiting for.







On Jan 27, 2011, at 3:45 PM, JoelMatthews wrote:

>> For example, are their differences between the acclaimed Toyo and current 
>> Waterford forks?
> 
> Does Waterford make the Atlantis forks?
> 
> Nobilette made the early Waterford Hilsen forks.
> 
> On Jan 26, 12:42 pm, Bob <prov...@umbc.edu> wrote:
>> The current Riv Atlantis is built by Waterford.  My original question
>> concerned whether, excluding paint, braze ons and probably tubing, the
>> Waterford is identical to the Toyo build. This is not questionaing the
>> obviously excellent Riv quality, but about subtle specifics of
>> interest to velohistorians an bike nerds.  The question remains
>> unanswered.  For example, are their differences between the acclaimed
>> Toyo and current Waterford forks?  What about subtle bends in the
>> chainstay and other tubing?  There must be things that Toyo and
>> Waterford do uniquely well.  What are they?
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 1:19 pm, Ryan <ryter...@mts.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> As far as I know, Atlantises (Atlanti?) were only Toyo-built. But I'm
>>> sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
>> 
>>> My impression is that later models...I'm thinking of the AHH in
>>> particular ...were either Toyo or Waterford-built. And as others on
>>> this thread have noted, the Sams are either built by Waterford or in
>>> Taiwan under the supervision of Toyo
>> 
>>> That being said, regardless of the origin, Grant's design philosophy
>>> and attention to detail are evident...you say tomaytoes and I say
>>> tomaahtoes . Rivendells are great bikes
>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Ryan in Winnipeg,MB
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 10:34 pm, Bob <prov...@umbc.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>>> How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry
>>>> from the Waterford edition?  Exclude differences in braze-ons,
>>>> kickstand plate and range of sizes.
>> 
>>>> In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in
>>>> builder?- Hide quoted text -
>> 
>> - Show quoted text -
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