> For example, are their differences between the acclaimed Toyo and current 
> Waterford forks?

Does Waterford make the Atlantis forks?

Nobilette made the early Waterford Hilsen forks.

On Jan 26, 12:42 pm, Bob <prov...@umbc.edu> wrote:
> The current Riv Atlantis is built by Waterford.  My original question
> concerned whether, excluding paint, braze ons and probably tubing, the
> Waterford is identical to the Toyo build. This is not questionaing the
> obviously excellent Riv quality, but about subtle specifics of
> interest to velohistorians an bike nerds.  The question remains
> unanswered.  For example, are their differences between the acclaimed
> Toyo and current Waterford forks?  What about subtle bends in the
> chainstay and other tubing?  There must be things that Toyo and
> Waterford do uniquely well.  What are they?
>
> On Jan 26, 1:19 pm, Ryan <ryter...@mts.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > As far as I know, Atlantises (Atlanti?) were only Toyo-built. But I'm
> > sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> > My impression is that later models...I'm thinking of the AHH in
> > particular ...were either Toyo or Waterford-built. And as others on
> > this thread have noted, the Sams are either built by Waterford or in
> > Taiwan under the supervision of Toyo
>
> > That being said, regardless of the origin, Grant's design philosophy
> > and attention to detail are evident...you say tomaytoes and I say
> > tomaahtoes . Rivendells are great bikes
>
> > Regards,
> > Ryan in Winnipeg,MB
>
> > On Jan 22, 10:34 pm, Bob <prov...@umbc.edu> wrote:
>
> > > How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry
> > > from the Waterford edition?  Exclude differences in braze-ons,
> > > kickstand plate and range of sizes.
>
> > > In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in
> > > builder?- Hide quoted text -
>
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