You give me WAY too much credit, friend...  I'm a cheap date. 2 pints
is my max... 3 and I'm singing old "Bread" tunes on the Karaoke
machine.  But either way, I ALWAYS ride in control, thank you.

Peace,
BB

On Dec 10, 4:13 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The biggest sacrifice from the big BobbyB will be if he forgoes pint
> number 11 in the interest of keeping his head about him.  We'll see if
> he can take his convictions that far....
>
> On Dec 10, 12:38 pm, Montclair BobbyB <montclairbob...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It's a shared responsibility, period... AND a matter of common sense.
> > We debate this topic ad nauseum within the cycling community in my
> > home state of NJ, in terms of who has what rights, and who has
> > accountability... Although I'd much rather be cycling than driving, I
> > spend far more time as a motorist than as a cyclist, so my take on
> > this issue:
>
> > AS A CYCLIST I try to maintain the mindset that I'm merely one bad
> > situation away from being mowed down, so I try to stack the odds in my
> > favor by any and all means necessary.  That includes riding where
> > there are fewest cars.  One of the great things about riding a Riv, I
> > can take sidewalks, paths, alleyways with rough surface... I don't
> > have to stick to the car routes. But when that's impractical and I'm
> > forced to ride with traffic I make sure I can be clearly seen and that
> > I stay out of the way of motorists, regardless of what I perceive my
> > rights as a cyclist to be.  I don't care about whether I'm right; I
> > just care about not getting hit.  I say ride defensively in every way
> > possible....
>
> > AS A MOTORIST I try to maintain the mindset that I'm merely one bad
> > situation away from hitting another motorist, a cyclist, pedestrian,
> > deer, etc., so again, it's a matter of stacking the odds in my favor,
> > like slowing down, and maybe being aware of the stretches of road
> > where people, deer, and ninja-clad-stealth-night-riders all lurk. It
> > comes down to this: If you allow yourself to fall into a situation
> > where someone else's misjudgment, compounded with your own misjudgment
> > creates conditions that are ripe for an accident, it's time to rethink
> > your role in that equation.  I say drive defensively in every way
> > possible.
>
> > Tonight I'll be driving home from the office and then riding my bike
> > to my favorite pub... First, (thanks to this enlightening
> > conversation) I'll take my time driving home.  Then before I hop on my
> > Riv, I'll trade my jacket with the reflectorized bands for my wife's
> > blazing DOT vest (she's an EMT)...  No such thing as overkill... just
> > gotta stack those odds...
>
> > Peace,
> > BB
>
> > On Dec 10, 2:42 pm, newenglandbike <matthiasbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Drivers..  they're you and me."
>
> > > They're not me... i don't drive.  nor do many others.  Most who don't,
> > > can't afford to own a car.   That's the real world.
>
> > > On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 11:20 -0800, newenglandbike wrote:
> > > > > I'm all for riding with lights and reflective gear, and do it myself,
> > > > > but take umbrage to the blame-the-victim attitude that puts the
> > > > > responsibility for not getting hit by a car on all on the cyclist.
> > > > > What about pedestrians, should they be all ablaze too?   What about
> > > > > people who can't afford to keep CatEye in business trying to make
> > > > > themselves look like a bipedal quasar?
>
> > > > Nice rant.  Now back in the real world, if you are virtually invisible
> > > > in the dark you certainly have yourself to blame if someone fails to see
> > > > you and runs into you.  Responsibility is shared, and if you're wearing
> > > > nighttime camouflage -- dark clothing, no lighting, no reflectors, dark
> > > > gloves, black balaclava pulled down over the face -- as so many cyclists
> > > > and pedestrians seem to do, blame yourself if you aren't seen.  Drivers
> > > > are neither demigods nor demons.  They're you and me.- Hide quoted text 
> > > > -
>
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