> They let you shift front and rear with the same hand, either in quick 
> succession or even simultaneously if you want
> to, and they can run across the length of the cassette much faster
> than SIS.

There is a learning curve, but if you get it down pat, works
wonderfully.  This is exactly why I have never strayed from DT
shifters.

Good post otherwise.  None of the homer - my shift style is better
than yours - just a good list of the plus and minus for each.

On Sep 14, 7:27 am, MichaelH <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have used SIS, barcons and down tube shifters and each has its
> advantages.  SIS is fast and keeps your hands right on the brakes; but
> are a pain when they are out of whack, are expensive and have the
> shortest life expectancy of any system. I don't care for the
> ergonomics of pushing with my fingertips.  Barcons are much slower
> than SIS but have better ergonomics and otherwise offer similar
> control at a much more affordable price than SIS.  BEs are my favorite
> for commuting or any time I'm in traffic - bike or car traffic.  DT
> shifters do require learning to reach down to shift, but it's not much
> different than pulling out a water bottle.   Your hand memorizes the
> location and you want to keep your eyes up the road.  DT shifters are
> even faster than SIS.  They let you shift front and rear with the same
> hand, either in quick succession or even simultaneously if you want
> to, and they can run across the length of the cassette much faster
> than SIS.  Vt, where I live, has lots of rolling terrain which rewards
> rapid double shifts, so I much prefer DT friction shifters, and that's
> what's on my Ram. I do miss a shift occassionally, but I simply see
> that as a learning experience. BTW, if you want to teach someone how
> to shift, I have found that BE is easier to master than SIS.  The
> shifters always move in the same direction as the chain, which
> reinforces the learning and makes it easier to visualize what's
> happening.
>
> If you go to a CD, you will get improved shifting from a FD with a
> shorter cage, which allows it to be mounted closer to the ring,
> without hitting the chainstay, as the 105 will on most bikes.  I
> highly recommend the new Campy.  There is no compelling reason to
> change the RD, but if you have something with a very long cage you
> will get faster, smoother shifting from one with a shorter cage.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sep 13, 5:35 pm, Johnny Alien <johnnyal...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > Hey Johnny,
>
> > > Downtube shifters are more classic than barcons and lighter too.  A triple
> > > really isn't classic, and the bottom bracket and cranks are both heavier
> > > than a traditional double or compact double.
>
> > > Regards, Doug
>
> > > P.S.  No slight intended, but it seems to me like a lot of Roadeos are 
> > > being
> > > built up pretty much the way I would think most AHHs get built up rather
> > > than as any lighter than average go-fasties...
>
> > I definitely wanted to be more on the racier end but with keeping with
> > some classic looks.  I never thought about it but DT shifters might be
> > a fantastic idea.  They are very light and more classic than putting
> > on brifters. (I didn't want to do barcons).
>
> > 100% going to do a compact double.  I'm not sure what to do with the
> > FD and RD.  But DT shifters???  You have me leaning this way.

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