FYI... My 52cm Clem measures 75 inches long, from end to end of the outside 
of the wheels. It is my surfboard.

Kim Hetzel. 

On Friday, April 18, 2025 at 11:11:09 AM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:

> I would guess a Roadini would be a good choice for city dwelling, where 
> space was at a premium. I think a Roadini can fit a 38mm tire, with a 
> fender, if you wanted to use the bike for transportation in the city. 
>
> I have ridden all over Philadelphia and the surrounding counties on 35mm & 
> 38mm tires and given that most of the area is paved, you are in usually in 
> good shape, tire wise.
>
> Maybe sell the Clem's and get Roadini's? Its always easy to spend someone 
> else's' money on more Rivendells!
>
> On Friday, April 18, 2025 at 12:26:51 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Wow! The size of a short NBA player :)
>>
>> On Friday, April 18, 2025 at 10:21:41 AM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, my son’s limeolive 55cm Platy is the same year as your mermaid, 
>>> and I measured it from tire edge to tire edge front to back at 6ft 4 in 
>>> without tilting the handlebars, with Soma Shikoro 48mm tires on Atlas rims. 
>>> I doubt your mermaid one is any shorter than a 52cm Clem, especially if 
>>> your sister has one from a while ago. I was measuring to give my sister an 
>>> idea if the one she is hoping to buy this summer will fit in her bike shed. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 18, 2025 at 7:17:57 AM UTC-7 Paul S wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live in a 4th floor walkup in NYC and a Clem would just not be 
>>>> workable.  I actually own a 59 Clem L that lives with family out on the 
>>>> west coast where it makes more sense, but getting those long chainstays 
>>>> around the corners on the stairs each day would be a real pain.  If I had 
>>>> a 
>>>> bike room/basement/low floor apartment I think the Clem would work great 
>>>> in 
>>>> the city and would love to ride it here.
>>>>
>>>> I currently ride a 58 Hunq for about half my commutes and a ~60 cm 
>>>> steel 650b conversion for the rest. The extra length and weight of the 
>>>> Hunq 
>>>> is noticeable going up my stairs, but is manageable. I think if I had to 
>>>> pick a modern (upright) Riv for my specific commuting circumstances, it 
>>>> would be a 60 Platy, which would hopefully be short enough to be 
>>>> manageable.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>> BK, NYC
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 18, 2025 at 9:15:00 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An Appaloosa is pretty stout…might be a lot to lug up those stairs…
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 18, 2025, at 9:10 AM, Maeve Gately <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in NYC and thinking about getting a Riv--probably a Homer, Apa 
>>>>> or Roadini. Any other city owners have these and find them manageable? I 
>>>>> have a four floor walkup with narrow stairs so that's my main concern
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 18, 2025 at 8:35:44 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Although I am not a big city dweller I am faced with similar size 
>>>>>> constraints with my big 65cm Clem and a small 2bedroom condo with shared 
>>>>>> basement storage.  The Clem is great for the open road/trails and my 
>>>>>> local 
>>>>>> riding but too big to bring anywhere by car and cumbersome to get in/out 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> the apartment and/or basement storage.  Fortunately, I get to just park 
>>>>>> it 
>>>>>> via kickstand on the open basement floor alongside my other large bikes 
>>>>>> in 
>>>>>> the locked basement with enough space to wheel it around but still need 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> navigate the turn through the door and stairs, which is doable but 
>>>>>> noticeably more challenging than my smaller frames.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any chance they could rotate the bars 180deg to turn the wheel/fork 
>>>>>> and shorten the wheelbase for parking?  Likely depends on 
>>>>>> fender/rack/bar/cables whether this is possible but maybe just enough to 
>>>>>> better fit the racks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do recall the Clems being intended as less precious lock up Rivs 
>>>>>> but still think the design was more reflective of their local trails and 
>>>>>> somewhat of an interpretation on Grants solution or substitute to old 
>>>>>> MTB 
>>>>>> conversions with Riv sourced parts rather than ‘city’ bikes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was part of my initial interest in the Clem… a large and 
>>>>>> properly fitting replacement to my old rigid mtb I kept trying to update 
>>>>>> and sinking funds into parts.  Rather than replacing it, it supplemented 
>>>>>> it 
>>>>>> and I still keep the smaller 90’s mtb around and is my bring anywhere 
>>>>>> bike 
>>>>>> being easier to transport.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope it all works out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>> Lawrence NJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 17, 2025, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My sister lives in NYC. She has a 52 cm Clem L and her husband has a 
>>>>>>> 59 cm Clem L. They just bought a lovely apartment and it has a 
>>>>>>> luxurious 
>>>>>>> bike room, complete with Saris racks to hold everyone’s bikes. This is 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> model of rack in the bike room, seen here on Saris’ website: 
>>>>>>> https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/8-bike-rack-double-decker-72-w-x-63-d
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She just moved the bikes in today, and when she went to park them, 
>>>>>>> they are, you guessed it, way too long. They do not fit in the 
>>>>>>> beautiful, 
>>>>>>> provided Saris rack; the rear wheels stick out into the aisle. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only thing we can think to do is get some Voile straps (she 
>>>>>>> ordered some today) and try to rig them up so they don’t tip over. They 
>>>>>>> owned these Clems while living in a different city, and space was not 
>>>>>>> at a 
>>>>>>> premium there. She said had she known they would live in NYC she would 
>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>> given her Clems to our brother and his wife and started over with a 
>>>>>>> shorter 
>>>>>>> Rivendell model for NYC. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hate to see her have to do that, though I agree it is maybe the 
>>>>>>> best option. But I was thinking, I KNOW there are a lot of Riv owners 
>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>> NYC and other populous cities in the US. Who owns Clems and how are you 
>>>>>>> managing them in the city? They don’t fit on buses or Amtrak. They 
>>>>>>> probably 
>>>>>>> don’t play well in your building’s bike racks. How do you live with 
>>>>>>> your 
>>>>>>> big long Clems? What are your secrets? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have thought of offering her my mermaid Platypus. The wheelbase of 
>>>>>>> a 52 Clem is, I think, 52 inches. And the 55 Platy is, I think, 47.5 
>>>>>>> inches. That is just so much more manageable. If her husband got a 
>>>>>>> Platy 
>>>>>>> (he loves a mixte so he doesn’t rip his suit pants swinging a leg 
>>>>>>> over), 
>>>>>>> it’d have to be the 60, and I don’t know how long that one is. We might 
>>>>>>> run 
>>>>>>> into the same issue if the 60 Platy is much longer than the 55…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>>
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