For sure, yes. I should have emphasized that more when I wrote "Probably this was just the Riv build before the owner dialed it in.." The picture was just a perfect illustration of my point about how an undersized frame starts looking. Thanks, Eric!
On Thursday, February 27, 2025 at 1:56:26 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote: > For the Riv builds, they don’t insert the post and stem very much—they > don’t want to scratch them up for the first owner. > > Eric > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 12:58 PM Mike in BK <michae...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, Alfonso. Cento percento (100%) agree with the point about sloping >> top tubes and seat post showing. Sloping has been in the mix for a long >> time and I'm accustomed to not applying the fist full of post idea to >> anything other than a level top tube. However, a sloping frame still can be >> undersized and too much post can correlate to too low of a stack height and >> compensating for both with loads of post and loads of stem seems like the >> wrong size frame (especially for $1750). That's why I worry about being >> between sizes. Everyone fits differently and this probably makes perfect >> sense for the owner of the bike below, but I'm not convinced I'd be on the >> right size frame if the final configuration resembled this. I definitely >> don't want to offend the owner, so my apologies for illustrating the point >> with someone's beautiful bike. Probably this was just the Riv build before >> the owner dialed it in anyway: >> [image: Screenshot 2025-02-27 at 12.54.32 PM.png] >> On Wednesday, February 26, 2025 at 6:13:16 PM UTC-5 >> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >> >>> It seems some of us worry about how much seat post is shown. I had an >>> email exchange with Will last week regarding this and he pointed out that >>> the old fist-full of post thing works on level top tube bikes, but that on >>> six degree upsloping bikes it's good to show some seat post so I wouldn't >>> worry too much about that. And as we all know it all comes down to PBH and >>> standover clearance - you must be comfortable with whatever stand over your >>> frame size affords and the type of riding you do. If it's mostly road, >>> pavement, etc., you may get away with little or no standover clearance at >>> all. On the other hand if you are going to be riding off-road, trails, >>> etc., you'll most likely want an inch or two. >>> >>> Felik, sounds like the 62 Atlantis will be a good fit. >>> El miércoles, 26 de febrero de 2025 a las 20:25:21 UTC, >>> feliks...@gmail.com escribió: >>> >>>> Just butting in here to say that I just had a back and forth with the >>>> lads at Riv regarding sizing. I'm 195 cm with a 96 pbh and really >>>> struggled >>>> with bikes for my whole riding life. I tried to ride on a 60 Hillborne now >>>> for a while, but this did not work out at all, so I got in touch with Riv >>>> for some advice on whether to get the current 64 Homer or the 62 Atlantis >>>> in the upcoming release. The 62 atlantis has a longer reach and steeper >>>> upslope than the Homer has. Will even said the 62 Atlantis is the biggest >>>> bike they make, so for my part I will go for the 62 Atlantis when it >>>> releases. I will certainly show more seatpost, but the most important part >>>> for me is that I can get that nice upright position without feeling >>>> cramped >>>> or hurting myself, which is what is currently happening on my 60 Hillborne >>>> (which, in my experience, feels small despite it being "tall") >>>> On Wednesday, 19 February 2025 at 23:02:44 UTC+1 trya...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Alfonso, >>>>> >>>>> I am tempted by the Atlantis. Luckily for my bank account I am usually >>>>> able to talk myself out of buying a given Riv by the time they actually >>>>> go >>>>> on presale and once they're sold out it is beyond my control :). >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 3:35:24 PM UTC-8 >>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *Tyler*, thanks for your clarification. I'm with you, standover is >>>>>> my main concern as I plan to ride my Atlantis off road and it's very >>>>>> likely >>>>>> I will have to dismount or touch the ground occasionally so I'd like to >>>>>> look after my pubic bone's health! Are you planning on purchasing an >>>>>> Atlantis this year then? >>>>>> >>>>>> *Garth*, I see your point, it's a very valid one. I don't think Riv >>>>>> offers custom (re-)painting anymore (I remember asking Will about it >>>>>> some >>>>>> time ago). If one was to use a third party to repaint their stock model, >>>>>> would you be able to get decals from Riv? >>>>>> >>>>>> And in order not to go too much off-topic on *Mike in BK*'s original >>>>>> post, I also agree with Garth that the Atlantis would be overkill for >>>>>> the >>>>>> kind of intented riding. A Sam Hillborne looks to me like the best >>>>>> option >>>>>> as you can still load it for light touring and the ocasional weekend >>>>>> adventure. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> El martes, 18 de febrero de 2025 a las 21:46:36 UTC, >>>>>> trya...@gmail.com escribió: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A 55cm Atlantis has a slightly longer top tube and slightly shorter >>>>>>> standover height compared to a 57cm Hillborne. That means either would >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> size wise except the Atlantis is much stouter and can accommodate much >>>>>>> larger tires, as can the Appaloosa. >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 11:49:09 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frame specs and fitting trumps the paint color every day of the >>>>>>>> week. The paint and all the parts can be changed, but not the frame >>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>> Lots of people have opted to get their stock Riv repainted at the time >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> ordering. In regards to the Atlantis, what it originally was in 1999 >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> long gone, so any connection to the later version is only the paint. >>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>>> been altered so may times I've lost count. I think it's overkill for >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> Mike in BK stated anyways. The Sam or Roadini sounds like a best >>>>>>>> option, >>>>>>>> given it fits you as intended. Have it painted the Russian green/blue >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Atlantis if you like. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 1:35:48 PM UTC-5 karl...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It depends.... I was sized at Riv HQ with a 58cm Atlantis but with >>>>>>>>> 26" wheels for sturdy loaded touring. (no clue about my PBH, but 5' >>>>>>>>> 10" >>>>>>>>> with a 29" inseam and a long torso), >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Love the size, but had it been 700 wheels, I would have been put >>>>>>>>> down a size. Now that I getting older, I am looking for a replacement >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> a Platypus for a step through convenience option. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 10:26 AM Tyler Ryan <trya...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alfonso, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, I am 6'1" and 89 pbh. I should have been more clear. Upon >>>>>>>>>> doing some more double, triple checking- I do think the 55 Atlantis >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> be the right call. I am mostly concerned with standover height and >>>>>>>>>> top tube >>>>>>>>>> length. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tyler >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 9:08:20 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tyler, do you mean roughly the same size as me (88 PBH and 6’1) >>>>>>>>>>> or the original poster? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Double checking the geo chart, at 88 PBH I’d be completely >>>>>>>>>>> outside the size 59 recommended ranges (starting at 89.5cm) so I >>>>>>>>>>> guess I >>>>>>>>>>> should stop worrying about it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> However, as investing in a Riv is not small task, one can’t help >>>>>>>>>>> but worry about every detail. My worry then moves to whether an >>>>>>>>>>> Appaloosa >>>>>>>>>>> 57 would be an even better fit. Problem being I don’t fancy the >>>>>>>>>>> Appaloosa’s >>>>>>>>>>> colorways too much. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Would a 57 Appaloosa fit so much better than a 55 Atlantis that >>>>>>>>>>> it’d be stupid to buy the latter just based on looks? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking part in the conversation >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> El El mar, 18 feb 2025 a las 16:20, Tyler Ryan < >>>>>>>>>>> trya...@gmail.com> escribió: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm roughly the same size and I'm looking at the geometry chart >>>>>>>>>>>> and I don't know how I could go any bigger than the 55. My current >>>>>>>>>>>> biggest >>>>>>>>>>>> bike has a 60cm top tube which is great for using swept back >>>>>>>>>>>> bars(albatross) with a "normal" length stem, 10cm. This very >>>>>>>>>>>> nearly puts >>>>>>>>>>>> drop bars out of reach for me on the 55cm which isn't a huge issue >>>>>>>>>>>> as I >>>>>>>>>>>> have other drop bar bikes that are shorter, smaller. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am concerned about spending 2000$ on a bike frame and getting >>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong size so this is top of mind at the moment. It's not like >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> are a ton of Rivs around I can test out, even in a big city- I >>>>>>>>>>>> guess at >>>>>>>>>>>> least I know what I like. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 11:49:15 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>> der_amerikanische_freund wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting topic as I'm also seriously considering buying one >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the next Atlantises. I'm 6'1" and 88 PBH and, before I read >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation, I was quite set on the 55, as I will mainly use it >>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> knobby tires for off-road riding so I want to have decent >>>>>>>>>>>>> standover height >>>>>>>>>>>>> if I need to put my feet on the ground when riding technical-ish >>>>>>>>>>>>> trails. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> do wonder now if this reasoning is valid or whether I'd be better >>>>>>>>>>>>> off with >>>>>>>>>>>>> a size 59. I have always been put off the 59 since I'd be outside >>>>>>>>>>>>> their PBH >>>>>>>>>>>>> range recommendation (minimum 89.5cm). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> El domingo, 16 de febrero de 2025 a las 7:57:12 UTC, Mike in >>>>>>>>>>>>> BK escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm 5'11", so longish inseam for my height and I don't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your reach. The Atlantis's long top tube only makes sense for me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sweptback bars. My dilemma isn't will I love the comfort of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, it's more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will it feel good on spirited 2 hour road rides. Agreed about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Clem, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if standover wasn't an issue with the Atlantis I would grab a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 59cm. Like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most Riv lovers, I've never been on a bike that I could get my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bars level >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with my saddle without a ton of quill stem extending from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too short >>>>>>>>>>>>>> head tube. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 15, 2025 at 8:15:51 PM UTC-5 iamkeith >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mentioned that your PBH is 87.5, but not how tall you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are. I dont mean to dismiss Vince's expertise and opinion, bt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's an important part of the equation if you're looking for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an "ideal" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My PBH is 87.0, and I'm 6'-2". So long torso, short legs, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and difficult to fit. If you're shorter and more normally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proportioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than me, I probably wouldn't hesitate on the 55. Conversely, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you're a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar height to me and have a 87.5 PBH, I also wouldn't worry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 59 working. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a gen 1 Clem in 59, that's very close to the newest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 59 Atlantis in terms of fit, and I would NEVER opt for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smaller size. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Standover is tight, but comfort and ride quality trum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything. Even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now, the top tube is quite a bit on the short side - which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would push me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from the 55. FWIW, I use large 2.3 tires, which further >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standover, too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Atlantis is funny. It was the bike that originally drew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me to Rivendell, but I have ALWAYS been berween sizes so, as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much as I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted one, it's never quite worked out. (Actually, there was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 56cm 650b >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briefly, which I almost bought, but decided it wasn't perfect.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about this next batch of Atlanti too, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think the smart call for me is to wait until the next batch of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 57 Appaloosa. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 15, 2025 at 10:54:28 AM UTC-7 Mike in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BK wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sirens are really luring me to want to grab an Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this offering. This is irrational on my part for a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons. First being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the type of riding the Atlantis is made for is the least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amount of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding type here in Brooklyn. I'm mostly stretching out doing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laps in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> park. But I aspire to "adventure" riding and can get out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the city on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion. Second would be that the sizing gives me pause. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoke with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vince at RBW and he was emphatic that 55cm was my size with my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 87.5" PBH. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree that the 59cm would be a real high standover and just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessarily big. But jumping all the way down to 55cm would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> showing a lot of post and the 61.8cm stack height will also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extending the stem quite high. Lastly, and rather importantly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my first new, not pre-owned, frameset in decades. To make it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work I'll need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sell off some bikes and parts, which means I need to find a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Riv which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlaps the majority of riding I do and the riding I aspire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do, namely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moderate trail riding and gravel. The Sam would be perfect for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 57cm should fit like a glove. A 57cm Roadini would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate as well, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as its off-Roadini capabilities were recently discussed here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But....the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantis! 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