Joe raises a valid point regarding front loading Rivendells -- front loads 
are best left to the low trail bunch. I have a Crust Lightning Bolt & 
Romanceur, plus a Cycles Toussaint for front loading and it's a perfect 
match. I was running a basket on my Atlantis and it worked fine, but it was 
definitely a bit "floppy" and I prefer the bike with just a rear load 
configuration. At the moment I have front rack + Sackville Trunk Bag on a 
Hillborne and I don't notice the wheel flop; granted, I keep the loads 
under 5lbs.

On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 5:26:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Also technically, Rivs aren't designed for front loads even though they 
> sell stuff to front-load them with. That's low-trail territory ably served 
> up by other brands. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 1:52:41 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Sorry that sounded a bit rude and I'm not questioning you're experience 
>> if you found it to not feel how you wish it to. Of course even with the 
>> same trail number, different head tube angles will have a different feel - 
>> but technically, the AHH has similar wheel flop. 
>>
>> On Tuesday 12 November 2024 at 13:05:44 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> Have you ridden the AHH?  The trail between the two bikes is with 2mm or 
>> so, so the "floppiness" should be indistinguishable between the two - Riv 
>> pays close attention to mechanical trail, increasing fork offset when the 
>> HTA is slackened.  Good to know they're the same tubing!  Kind of 
>> surprising.  I know Grant would roll his eyes but I would love to see 
>> accurate frame weights for each, just out of curiosity. 
>>
>>

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