I think one of the things that most bothers me is the extreme price
mark-up by companies like Rapha, whose products are made in China.  A
example which I've seen are some recent bags now being marketed by
Brooks (which are labeled as "Made in China").  The "Cornwall"
handlebar bag lists at $369.99 from Milwaukee Bicycle, each of the
"Devon" rear panniers are listed at $349.99 (the drive and non-drive
bags are individually priced).  You can drop a cool $1,069.97 for the
set.  My LBS has a complete set of these bags on display, I found the
pricing quite amusing.  Each to his/her own, but this seems ridiculous
to me for products made in China.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

> > Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based.  If
> > you're reading their stuff, you are definitely "good enough" to be using
> > their products.  Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that "hard-man,
> > epic" stuff is all about exclusivity.  If you can't average 18 mph on a
> > hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly
> > aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff.
>
> Frankly, I have never been able to pay close attention to marketing
> blurbs, no matter the medium.  I have looked at Rapha price,
> components and manufacture domicile.  I cannot see how their approach
> is similar to Rivendell's.
>
> On May 26, 4:51 pm, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:19 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > > Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive.
>
> > > The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up.
>
> > > Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S.
> > > and Japanese made products.  Labor costs less, so Riv charges less.
>
> > > There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using
> > > U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor.  Rapha makes almost all of its product
> > > in China but nevertheless charges a premium.
>
> > I'm not talking about prices or markups, or even where the products are
> > made.  I'm talking about marketing and philosophy.
>
> > Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based.  If
> > you're reading their stuff, you are definitely "good enough" to be using
> > their products.  Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that "hard-man,
> > epic" stuff is all about exclusivity.  If you can't average 18 mph on a
> > hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly
> > aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff.  

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