> Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based.  If
> you're reading their stuff, you are definitely "good enough" to be using
> their products.  Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that "hard-man,
> epic" stuff is all about exclusivity.  If you can't average 18 mph on a
> hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly
> aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff.

Frankly, I have never been able to pay close attention to marketing
blurbs, no matter the medium.  I have looked at Rapha price,
components and manufacture domicile.  I cannot see how their approach
is similar to Rivendell's.

On May 26, 4:51 pm, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:19 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive.
>
> > The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up.
>
> > Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S.
> > and Japanese made products.  Labor costs less, so Riv charges less.
>
> > There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using
> > U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor.  Rapha makes almost all of its product
> > in China but nevertheless charges a premium.
>
> I'm not talking about prices or markups, or even where the products are
> made.  I'm talking about marketing and philosophy.
>
> Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based.  If
> you're reading their stuff, you are definitely "good enough" to be using
> their products.  Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that "hard-man,
> epic" stuff is all about exclusivity.  If you can't average 18 mph on a
> hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly
> aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff.  

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