> Those are definitely flatter, straighter, with more gravel and washboard than 
> Cal's true fire roads.

For the most part.  However if you go east from where Jim will be
riding, the upper Mississippi and Minnesota/Wisconsin/Michigan/
Ontario* Lake Superior shore line has plenty of rugged twisties.

> Enjoy the ride.  You'll do well.

Double that.  Have fun Jim.

* The lake really lives up to its name considering it borders three
states and a Canadian province!

On May 14, 7:08 am, Ray Shine <r.sh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Jim -- "Fire Roads" are just really the same as farm roads but are often very 
> steep, hilly, rolly and unmarked.  Out here in the west, fire roads are cut 
> as just that, fire breaks and for deep access for crews and equipment.  They 
> are almost always cut by the forest service.  The other type of road are the 
> lumber roads, usually cut by companies logging a certain section of forest 
> land. Most fire roads are more dirt than gravel, but most are steep, with 
> lots of blind turns, washouts, etc.  I have ridden the farm roads of the 
> mid-west and the southwest. Those are definitely flatter, straighter, with 
> more gravel and washboard than Cal's true fire roads.  Enjoy the ride.  
> You'll do well.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 1:32:10 AM
> Subject: [RBW] the "fire trails" of the upper midwest
>
> I've been reading about these "fire trails" in Grant's writings for
> years. As far as I know, we don't have fire trails in Minnesota, but
> we have thousands of miles of rural gravel roads, and races/rides on
> these gravel roads have exploded in popularity. This weekend I, along
> with several hundred others, will be riding the Almanzo 100, which is
> a free-for-all gravel century. Technically it's a race, but I
> seriously doubt that I'm in contention of finishing much better than
> middle-of-the-pack.
>
> It's arguable that Rivendell has played a role (indirectly) in
> popularizing this kind of event with Grant's advocacy of tire
> clearance and riding "road bikes" on unpaved surfaces. I'll be riding
> my Atlantis-inspired Goodrich, and I expect to see lots of Rivendells.
>
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