I'm pretty stoked about the longer tt. The 58 was the right length, but not enough standover. Plus I didn't want the double tt (I like flexy bikes!). The 54 had the right standover, but wasn't long enough. Voila, now a 54 is back in play for me!
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM, happyriding <happyrid...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 4, 12:47 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mike > > > > I'm a terrible double-replyer, so I'm sorry about that. I just called > > Keven and he said that the 54 and 58 prototypes were built correctly > > to the numbers that are currently on the Riv-site. The finals will be > > longer, so the numbers are changing. The Hunqa numbers claim that the > > 54 has a 58.4cm effective top tube length, and the final will be > > really close to 60cm. The 58 claims to have a 60cm effective top tube > > length and the final will be a 62 or so. > > > On May 4, 12:47 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mike > > > > I'm a terrible double-replyer, so I'm sorry about that. I just called > > Keven and he said that the 54 and 58 prototypes were built correctly > > to the numbers that are currently on the Riv-site. The finals will be > > longer, so the numbers are changing. The Hunqa numbers claim that the > > 54 has a 58.4cm effective top tube length, and the final will be > > really close to 60cm. The 58 claims to have a 60cm effective top tube > > length and the final will be a 62 or so. > > > > Ugh. What is it with Rivendell's long top tubes? I thought the whole > idea was to get people to ride bigger frames? On the bigger frames, > the top tubes are so long it forces people to buy a smaller frame with > a shorter, better fitting top tube and then jack up the stem to get > the bars up there. For instance, look at the 67 AHH. The effective > seat tube is about 66.3 center to center and the effective top tube is > 65. My preference for that frame would be a 61 cm top tube so that I > could employ a proportionally appropriate stem of 12 or 13 cm. > > It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells > frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you > need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. > > I've read the article on how a shallower seat angle effectively > shortens the top tube--but that is only 1 cm per degree. So if you > currently ride a bike with a 73 seat tube angle, the Hilsen's 72 seat > tube angle will allow you to fit a top tube that is 1 cm longer. But > on the other end, a Nitto Noodle handlebar has 9.5 cm of reach which > is 1 cm longer than most road bars sold today. The net result is > that a shallower seat tube angle effectively reduces the top tube > length by 1cm, but the Noodle handlebar is 1 cm longer, so that is a > scratch. > > It would be nice if Rivendell made one model where the top tubes were > not so long in the large sizes. Taller riders could then choose > bigger frames with less stem sticking out of the frame and use a 12 or > 13 cm stem with Nitto Noodle's to get the proper reach to the bars. > The geometry of the original Hunqapillar seemed to be moving a bit in > that direction. > > On the other hand, some days I hold up my hand and spread my thumb and > forefinger apart 4 centimeters, and I look at how small a distance > that is, and I wonder if it is even worth thinking about. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
