I am not using a daruma because my plastic Berthoud/SKS fenders have a
riveted L-bracket. I don't think the fork crown on the 650B Sams is
different. It's just that the Tektro fork crown cable hanger is very
thick (it needs to be very stiff).

Gernot

On Apr 18, 8:44 pm, "carnerda...@bellsouth.net"
<carnerda...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I may have missed this before, but is there a reason you have not tried
> the fork crown daruma?
> Also, for those who have or are considering 650B Sam Hillbornes, the
> fork crown dimensions must be different.  I have a Nitto mini rack on my
> 52 and the bolt is long enough to fit a spacer on the front and a thick
> washer on the back.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/carner/4504006453/
>
> Cannot be sure since I am using V-brakes, but looks like there would be
> room for the fork crown hanger and the L-bracket.
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> Earl Grey wrote:
> > I have a 56cm SH with 720 Tektros: with the Tektro forkcrown-mounted
> > cable stop, no problems. Switched to a headset-mounted stop (to
> > install Nitto front rack and fenders), squeal (but no shudder),
> > regardless of toe-in settings with stock pads. Switched to VO squeal-
> > free pads, no problems, regardless of toe-in position.
>
> > I highly recommend the forkcrown-mounted cable hanger, if your setup
> > can accommodate it (if you have a Nitto mini front and a fender that
> > mounts to the rack bolt with an L-bracket, adding the cable hanger
> > doesn't work on my Sam because the Nitto bolt (integral to the rack)
> > is just a bit too short. Without the fender, I could just make it
> > work, but with the fender, no dice). 
> > Seehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4426738206/
> > for the cable forkcrown-mounted hanger.
>
> > Gernot
>
> > On Apr 18, 12:38 am, rperks <perks....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Second what he said, and go through the standards: Clean the rims with
> >> alchohol, some even sand them lightly.  If that does not do it try
> >> lightly sanding or filing the pads to clean them as well.  Next stop
> >> is Pauls or V-Brakes.  I went through this with my Cross-check, but
> >> the judder was at all speeds, as set of mini-v brakes brought it
> >> almost to a omplete stop, but I was so tired of fiddling with it I
> >> sold the bike and bought the Rawland with discs.  The stud slop is
> >> only one weak link in the system, and I believe it helps to magnify
> >> every other weak spot in the system.
>
> >> The other possibility is that with the wide profile and High cable
> >> they may be too powerful.  Sounds hard to swallow, but I can make the
> >> fork hop on the rawland with discs.  Watch the front wheel closely
> >> when you are doing this and see if it is spinning in a stop start kind
> >> of a thing or locked up and hopping along like a pogo stick.
>
> >> Rob
>
> >> On Apr 17, 10:22 am, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>> on 4/17/10 9:51 AM, MikeC at mecinib...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> >>>> I find it strange that some SH owners have this issue while others
> >>>> have not had an issue. My pads were installed flush, but they are
> >>>> koolstop MTB pads with the the designed to provide tow-in
> >>>> automatically. I get no squeal just the low-speed shudder.  I will
> >>>> look into pad angle.
>
> >>> Pad angle will definitely cause that issue. I've had that happen with and
> >>> without accompanying squawking. The Kool Stops also tend to bite a newer 
> >>> rim
> >>> a lot better than most pads. New pads + New rims = shudder, IME.
>
> >>> I've never been able to run the KS pads flush. Always put a touch o' 
> >>> toe-in
> >>> on them.
>
> >>> I'd also just double-check that the housing endcap is not moving in the
> >>> hanger, and that there's no gap when the housing runs into the brake lever
> >>> itself.
>
> >>>> I am using the max straddle cable height allowed by the stock cable
> >>>> that came with the CR720's. I will try increasing the spring tension.
>
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>
> >>> - J
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