Jason, I think you're spot on about what they call the frames. I start at the 
seattube length as a ballpark because I generally know what Rivs fit me, but 
the toptube length matters MUCH more..especially on frames that have grown 
longer over time while still being called the same number. 

And don't even get me started on MIT Atlantis and Homer, bikes whose sizing is 
completely different from the originals. I'm not sure what the answer is, but 
marking the size of Riv frames by seattube length isn't working anymore. 

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