I don't think it's gimmicky. Grant and Co. do most of their riding in the 
hills, usually with fairly heavy loads, and I can see why they gravitated 
toward longer, stouter bikes. But, like you, I am skeptical of the 
advantages of super long stays. Longer is better to a point, sure, but I 
wonder if that point has been passed in some cases. And I wish the model 
line-up had more variety. There's a lot of overlap. I think sportier bikes 
have their place.  

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 10:58:51 AM UTC-8, masmojo wrote:
>
> Well, I want to like Long chainstays and long wheelbases; I REALLY REALLY 
>> do, but honestly I don't think the benefits are really there.
>
>
> More comfortable? More stable?  Was I uncomfortable or unstable before? No 
> not really.
>  There's far more downsides than up.
> The comfort is provided via a flexier frame, don't think a frame has to be 
> super stiff and some flex can be a good thing. bu there will be power loss 
> on a big flexy, heavy bike.
> Stability? My Clementine isn't any more stable then any other bike and I 
> find I've got to slow much more for tightish turns so I don't overshoot the 
> apex and land in a bush.
> In the meantime you've got a much heavier bike (let's face it this is not 
> Columbus SL tubing) and unnecessary weight is never a good thing. the main 
> advantage of this design is nobody's going to compare the weight of your 
> bike with another bike of similar dimensions, because there aren't any. So 
> if you use a slightly cheaper/heavier tubing nobody can bust you on it.
>
> Basically, I am not opposed to longer stay's or long wheel bases 
> necessarily, I just want to understand how these dimensions are arrived at? 
> what is merely long and what is too long? On the Clem's and My Clementine 
> it almost seems like a cost saving measure that's sold as some sort of 
> advantage?  The chain stays are pretty much straight! Not having to bend 
> those is probably cheaper!? And like I said tubing doesn't have to be that 
> great, it's understood it's going to be a heavy bike.
>
> I think it's an unfortunate Gimmicky fad and I am ready for it to be over. 
>

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