Good to know. I've ridden bikes with "tourist" bars -- Raleigh Sports, road bikes converted to sweep-back bars, rod braked roadsters, very briefly, an omafiets -- that were short enough forward of the bottom bracket (taking top tube and available hand positions on the bar) to make standing awkward; you felt as though you were going to fall over the bar; though slack seat tube angles did allow you to get a sufficient torso to hip angle for mashing.
I guess -- correct me if I'm wrong? -- that these Riv models are designed for this precisely by having long top tubes? "Paean" and such: Decades of vast and undisciplined reading. On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 2:40 PM Leah Peterson <jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote: > Patrick, thanks! I had to look up the word paean, but what a good word to > add to the vocabulary! Where *did* you encounter it? > > Oh, stems. I really went into this knowing less than nothing about them. > When I was first diagnosing the fit problem of the bike I was advised to > get “a shorter stem” which just about sent me into orbit because I thought > that meant the bars would be lowered. I like ‘em high! > > About climbing and mashing. I am not a dirt road rider, but I am a > very-steep-hill rider. I will often stay in my hard gear and stand and mash > pedals. I do this *on purpose* because I want the extra workout. I have > found it somehow gives me an arm workout as I am pulling up hard on the > bars. I’m sure this is wrong. I’m sure this is bad form... I don’t care. > Anyway, I don’t notice that it’s uncomfortable, and I have my Bosco bars at > max height. I also find if I want to use the granny, I can also stay > comfortably seated and climb the hill from my saddle. It all works great. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 1, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Leah: Your paeans (I had to look up the spelling) to your Clem are almost > heartbreakingly eloquent, and yes, the wavy fenders are aethereally (ditto) > beautiful. And how many of the rest of us have wrestled in prayer with the > length of stems? > > Me, all the talk about the comfort and agility of vastly long-stayed Rivs > off road makes me want to try a Clem or Gus or > whateverthehelltherightdirtroadmodelis, upright bar and everything. But > (question for all): don't Rivendell seating positions presuppose a low > gear, seated, twiddling style of pedaling? How do the Gus and so forth do > when the rider likes to mash and stand? > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 2:13 PM Leah Peterson <jonasandle...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks, Doug. This bike has really endeared itself to me. I love what it >> can do (haul it all, total comfort, luxurious ride) and that it is also an >> unlikely beauty. I do think it looks a little long and can see how that >> turns some folks off to it, but I think if you only paid attention to the >> ride you’d love it. My initial complaint was that I didn’t want the bars so >> far from me, but most folks don’t seem to complain about that. I will also >> say the wheelbase is as long as my Saris rack can possibly take. I always >> feel like I’m not going to be able to make tight turns, but that hasn’t >> been true. >> >> If those things are not troublesome to you, I can’t imagine why you >> wouldn’t like a Clem! And the L version has great resale if you really >> couldn’t live with it, so now you’re all out of excuses. I await your New >> Bike Day post. Oh, and get the wavy fenders! >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Dec 1, 2019, at 10:29 AM, DHans <dhansford1...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > I really like the way you’ve outfitted the Clem L. It is classy >> looking. I can’t help but think of “land yacht” when I see these bikes. I >> think the low tube makes it look even longer. I also think the design uses >> the form follows function idea in that the wheelbase was extended enough to >> allow for a stable comfy ride. I wish I could ride one before purchasing >> but I may just take a chance and buy a frame when one comes up for sale. >> > Doug >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/x8e3syetp6I/unsubscribe >> . >> > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/65ad8c4c-1bb1-4f6b-8a2a-607922a80fca%40googlegroups.com >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0E62B485-175B-448F-960A-7A27082E5ACE%40gmail.com >> . >> > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/x8e3syetp6I/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgsFmbrJvojM51vT6YsNuhUoQTEyCJjzodjUmFXBkjFppA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgsFmbrJvojM51vT6YsNuhUoQTEyCJjzodjUmFXBkjFppA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/C42C5E6B-EDD8-4583-8EEE-8FD3A9937C6B%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/C42C5E6B-EDD8-4583-8EEE-8FD3A9937C6B%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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