You're right. When I reread my post it was too nasty. More a reaction
to where I'd been and where I am. I'm actually a very competitive
person, just not on a bike any more. So thanks for calling me on it,

But I do think the steel v carbon is less about physics and
fundamentally a mindset. If you ride steel you're passionate about it
and if you ride carbon you're equally passionate. And what is so
obvious to one is the opposite to the other. In fact, I'd go so far to
say that if all of a sudden I woke up tomorrow to learn that somehow
science had gotten it completely wrong and steel in fact was proven to
fail more catastrophically than carbon, I'd still be riding steel.
That it's not about the fear of catastrophic failure. It's about the
suppleness, the strength, the forgiveness, the lugs, the craftsmanship
and artistry, and the sheer natural beauty of steel.

On Mar 8, 11:42 am, Patrick in VT <psh...@drm.com> wrote:
> On Mar 8, 10:43 am, Buck <ahurv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > But... if you ride carbon and dress the part,
> > carbon passing carbon is always a competitive event. You can't not be
> > about going faster. You can't relax. You don't notice stuff along the
> > way. The first time I rode my Atlantis on my favorite route after 10
> > years on a Lemond, I saw 100 things I'd never noticed before along the
> > way. Steel is liberating that way.
>
> that's a mindset.  it has nothing to do with steel vs. carbon.
> before carbon was the norm, racer boys and girls were riding steel.
>
> anyway, some folks like to ride fast - so what?  maybe they have a
> personal goal that requires some intense training.  maybe it's the one
> time during the week they have a chance to exercise.  maybe - imagine
> this - they actually like the ups and downs of competition!  that's
> part of the fun of sports - and, like it or not, cycling is still a
> competitive sport.  and since when is being competitive a bad
> thing?
>
> seriously, why knock people for that?  that attitude bums me out more
> than any carbon vs. steel debate.

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