I should add to my thoughts that I myself have experienced sudden failure on
a steel steerer tube, and this on a new frameset (NOS -- 531c Orbit tandem
-- bad material for a neophyte tandem couple, all question of overheating
aside!; fortunately no serious injury). But again, there was no such volume
of catastrophic failure scuttlebutt about steel or the other non-carbon
materials.
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:12 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just read Grant's reply to the "carbon bashing bashing" thread and I was
> heartened to learn that (1) he "bashes" -- the quotation marks to indicate
> that this word is used very provisionally -- carbon out of a sense of duty
> and (2) almost even more so, that he has little interest in pushing the
> nostalgia angle. I see no evidence at all that he is dissing a competitor
> for his own commercial advantage; that sort of interpretation involves a
> hermaneutic that is IMO close to paranoid. ("*2.* (Psychiatry)
> *Informal*exhibiting undue suspicion ...)
>
> Now Grant may be wrong; perhaps indeed the high end carbon frames and forks
> out there are superlatively durable; maybe Grant ought to state his
> willingness to consider Calfee's exempt from his warnings. I don't know. But
> if I had his inside information -- I have no reason to believe that he is
> lying about it -- I'd damn well say the same things as he.
>
> One thing is undeniable: there was no such widespread scuttlebutt about
> steel, titanium or aluminum forks and frames breaking; for whatever reason,
> the volume rather signifcantly increased only when carbon fiber became
> common in the bike industry.
>
> On a lighter note: it is also reassuring that one can now become a trained
> and certified Rivendellian in just five years:
>
> ***Indeed, there was a time when it might take decades for someone to
> transform from a new cyclist to a Rivendell-riding fuddy-duddy, but now the
> process only takes about five years.*
>
> Youknowwho
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:19 AM, bfd <bfd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 9:41 am, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>> > On Mar 6, 2010, at 10:22 AM, bfd wrote:
>> >
>> >Grant's pointing out the problems with carbon doesn't strike me as
>> desperate, it
>> > strikes me as concerned about people's safety.
>>
>> OK, maybe I wasn't clear, I was only talking about carbon FRAMES; not
>> carbon forks, carbon seatpost, carbon handlebars or any other carbon
>> parts. Maybe I'm not Grant and "connected" or "in" so I don't see or
>> hear that much about carbon failing. Maybe I only see my little group
>> and nobody has ever had a carbon FRAME failed. Yes, its anecdotal and
>> really doesn't prove anything. BUT, then you have Grant making his
>> doom and gloom comments about carbon frame failing and unrepairable is
>> incorrect.
>>
>> For example, on page 1 of his 2010 bike catalog, he states "Carbon is
>> light, for instant mass appeal. It is theoretically strong, but if the
>> reality approached the theory, carbon frames and forks would never
>> break. And yet, failures are common, sudden failures are the norm, and
>> nobody who knows carbon rides old carbon." Really, I'm riding a 13
>> year old Calfee with a kestrel carbon fork (yes, steel steerer tube)
>> that I bought USED in 1997 that supposedly had 2500 miles on it. It
>> now has over 25K miles on it and interesting, no sudden failure. Craig
>> Calfee has riders on his bikes that are 20 years old with over 100k
>> miles (100,000 MILES) with no problem. Stating that all carbon bike
>> are subject to sudden failures is incorrect.
>>
>> Further in the same catalog on page 16 he compares his roadeo bike to
>> a mcrb (modern carbon road bike) and states "The MCRB should be
>> retired in four years, and may force your retirement sooner." Really?
>> a mcrb should be retired in four years? On what basis? Paranoia? Or
>> just another way to discredit carbon because it outsells his bikes 100
>> to 1?
>>
>> If he's only referring to a carbon fork, then he ought to say so and
>> be specific. But, generalizing that carbon frames are unrepairable is
>> wrong.
>>
>> Note, besides a Calfee, I also have a STEEL cross bike. I enjoy both
>> bikes and expect them to last at least another 20 years. Good Luck!
>>
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