I ask because as far as I can see, there's virtually nothing that any prospective owner can do in the way of research that would help in identifying good vs poor carbon bicycles.  I just don't see what sort of due diligence you're expecting prospective purchasers to perform, and thought that perhaps you might have though of something specific and obvious that I've overlooked, having very little experience buying bikes from bike shops and zero experience buying carbon.  There's no Consumer Reports for bicycles (and when CR tries to write up bicycles the results are virtually useless), most of what most bike mags publish is useless drivel, and BQ mostly does customs / handbuilts.

On 07/26/2018 08:10 PM, jack loudon wrote:
"And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the buyer / owner be?"

The nature of the due diligence would be the research most of us would do when making a major purchase, which is primarily checking the reputation of manufacturer, but also looking for history of damaged or recalled frames, asking questions on this list etc.  I think most bicycles have to meet EN or CEN standards when sold in Europe and elsewhere, even unbranded Chinese frames (for what that's worth).  But you already knew all this, so I'm not sure what you were expecting in the way of an answer from me.

Jack

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:



    On 07/26/2018 12:48 PM, jack loudon wrote:
    Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF /can/ be safe but the
    buyer/owner needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying
    steel.  Because the consequences of CF failure are so great,
    sloppy design and construction simply can't be tolerated. I would
    tend to trust company like Salsa (for instance) because their CF
    frames seem to emphasize strength over extreme light weight. 
    Their Cutthroat has had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide and
    other races, and if Salsa has had CF frame or fork failures, I
    haven't heard of them.  OTOH, Salsa had a steel fork recall
    awhile back.  IMO it's not the material but the integrity and
    expertise of the designer/builder.

    And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the
    buyer / owner be?
--
Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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