"And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the buyer / 
owner be?"

The nature of the due diligence would be the research most of us would do 
when making a major purchase, which is primarily checking the reputation of 
manufacturer, but also looking for history of damaged or recalled frames, 
asking questions on this list etc.  I think most bicycles have to meet EN 
or CEN standards when sold in Europe and elsewhere, even unbranded Chinese 
frames (for what that's worth).  But you already knew all this, so I'm not 
sure what you were expecting in the way of an answer from me.

Jack

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 07/26/2018 12:48 PM, jack loudon wrote:
>
> Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF *can* be safe but the buyer/owner 
> needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying steel.  Because the 
> consequences of CF failure are so great, sloppy design and construction 
> simply can't be tolerated.  I would tend to trust company like Salsa (for 
> instance) because their CF frames seem to emphasize strength over extreme 
> light weight.  Their Cutthroat has had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide 
> and other races, and if Salsa has had CF frame or fork failures, I haven't 
> heard of them.  OTOH, Salsa had a steel fork recall awhile back.  IMO it's 
> not the material but the integrity and expertise of the designer/builder.  
>
>
> And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the buyer / 
> owner be?
>
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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