After the disc brake discussion, we should probably move on to helmet use
and politics :)

Hydraulic disc brakes feel amazing - great braking with minimal hand effort
and superior modulation
Disc brakes work better in wet conditions
Disc brakes make fitment of large tires easier
Disc brakes make it easier to swap wheel sizes

In every other category, rim brakes probably win.

I feel more in control, which translates to safety, in wet/muddy conditions
with hydraulic disk brakes. If I never biked in these conditions wet
conditions, I'd probably not be won over by the other advantages. As a bike
commuter in an moderately hilly and traffic-laden urban environment,
stopping power and control are paramount. I enjoy disc brakes in other
environs, but this is probably where I appreciate them the most.

In general, front forks for discs appear more stout than many boutique
brand front forks that strive for a french style bend, but there's plenty
that are on par with mid-tier commodity Surly and Surly-like forks. I think
the introduction of country/all-road/commodity cyclocross bikes that take
larger tires has reduced the need for svelte front forks that take the edge
off of uneven road surfaces.

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick, the answer for me comes in two parts:
>
> 1. I have itty bitty weak hands and REALLY liked the hydros on an ebike I
> owned. Riv would need to spec completes with mechanical discs for
> simplicity and price-point reasons, but I would ditch them for hydraulics.
>
> 2. Rivendell needs to sell bikes and I think they need one at the lower
> end of their price scale with discs. Discs aren't a super-fancy high end
> motorcycle thing anymore, they're spec'd on super-cheap mtbs and hybrids.
> We're about to have a whole generation of riders who just think of them as
> brakes, they've never used any other kind.
>
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