That sounds like a good setup. I’d most likely be using these bags on my front panniers: Tubus Tara. The Tara has a U-shaped bottom rather than a flat bar. I wonder if this would not be optimal for the attachment of the Frost River.
I wonder if others have used such an attachment system with Tubus Taras or similar? > On Dec 21, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> wrote: > > Great question, John. My TourSacks were "lash on" (rather than elastic, as > you describe), and my experience is lash on systems are far less "playful" on > the rack over bumps for the simple reason that elastic gives, lashing does > not. My main issue with the TourSacks is the load on top needing a more solid > anchor point, not the load in the panniers, which was always solid for me, > though I suspect with a combined 4 top-o-rack lashing points on the Frost > River (two per pannier) vs. one on the TourSacks, the load will be even more > stable. But nothing like testing in real world bashing to find out! Grin. > > I also have the new(well, to me) Nitto big rack (no tombstone, pannier > mounting bar) coming, so that will lower CG and improve access for securing > the top-load. Combined with a twill saddlesack on the way and a possible > frame bag from Frost River, all the niggling challenges I've had are getting > ironed out, I hope! Grin. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 2:07:40 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote: > Deacon, I'm curious about the attachment system of the Frost River bags. They > do indeed look rugged and weatherproof, with what I'd consider a good shape > (wide enough, not just tall). But as for the attachment: I wonder if you > have used this buckle system before? In practice, can one get a snug enough > fit so the bags don't jump about on the rack? I've only used the bungee cord > system, which works well for me because the bag is under tension. Appreciate > your thoughts. > J. > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 7:39:05 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate it. I've bounced panniers with that mounting > system clean off, so I'll stick with the Frost Rivers, which are on the way > any road. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 8:22:03 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote: > I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked up > from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel pretty > bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to my > Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution and > lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look right > for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock the dust > off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took when he > offered them up last year: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/ > <https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/> > > -Jeff > Silver Spring, MD > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com <>> wrote: > You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I fit > in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, even when > we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of Back-A-Bikes to > test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the toursacks) for > several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full Arctic mittens > on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in life, there is a > trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. What I didn't test > was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the time, as happens on many > of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin. > > I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly abusive > of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and bushes > and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category (as is > Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field and > guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time will > tell! > > With abandon, > Patrick > > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote: > I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if you > can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real pleasure > to use multiple times each day--love the toggles! I don't know that the > buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be more or less > likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, though I do > not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: > https://vimeo.com/123971564 <https://vimeo.com/123971564> > I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted to > put in another good word for these bags! > > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it relates > to: > — ease of access > — weatherproof > — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness > — other issues that stand out? > > After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play there > is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored to the > fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s > Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough > and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush and > that just on the MUPS. > > Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 61 > look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I talked it > over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, preferring ease of > access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go bashing through brush the > same way I do. Grin. > > Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your experience > with them? > > With abandon, > Patrick > > www.OurHolyConception.org <http://www.ourholyconception.org/> > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org <http://www.mindyourheadcoop.org/> > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <>. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com <>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch > <https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/X8742mSi-2s/unsubscribe > <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/X8742mSi-2s/unsubscribe>. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > <mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch > <https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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