Great question, John. My TourSacks were "lash on" (rather than elastic, as you describe), and my experience is lash on systems are far less "playful" on the rack over bumps for the simple reason that elastic gives, lashing does not. My main issue with the TourSacks is the load on top needing a more solid anchor point, not the load in the panniers, which was always solid for me, though I suspect with a combined 4 top-o-rack lashing points on the Frost River (two per pannier) vs. one on the TourSacks, the load will be even more stable. But nothing like testing in real world bashing to find out! Grin.
I also have the new(well, to me) Nitto big rack (no tombstone, pannier mounting bar) coming, so that will lower CG and improve access for securing the top-load. Combined with a twill saddlesack on the way and a possible frame bag from Frost River, all the niggling challenges I've had are getting ironed out, I hope! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 2:07:40 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote: > > Deacon, I'm curious about the attachment system of the Frost River bags. > They do indeed look rugged and weatherproof, with what I'd consider a good > shape (wide enough, not just tall). But as for the attachment: I wonder if > you have used this buckle system before? In practice, can one get a snug > enough fit so the bags don't jump about on the rack? I've only used the > bungee cord system, which works well for me because the bag is under > tension. Appreciate your thoughts. > J. > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 7:39:05 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: >> >> Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate it. I've bounced panniers with that mounting >> system clean off, so I'll stick with the Frost Rivers, which are on the way >> any road. >> >> With abandon, >> Patrick >> >> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 8:22:03 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote: >>> >>> I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked >>> up from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel >>> pretty bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to >>> my Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution >>> and lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look >>> right for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock >>> the dust off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took >>> when he offered them up last year: >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/ >>> >>> -Jeff >>> Silver Spring, MD >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know >>>> I fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, >>>> even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of >>>> Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the >>>> toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with >>>> full >>>> Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in >>>> life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. >>>> What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the >>>> time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin. >>>> >>>> I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly >>>> abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, >>>> and >>>> bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right >>>> category >>>> (as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field >>>> and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time >>>> will tell! >>>> >>>> With abandon, >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know >>>>> if you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a >>>>> real >>>>> pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles! I don't know >>>>> that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be >>>>> more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with >>>>> water, >>>>> though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little >>>>> Riv-vid: >>>>> https://vimeo.com/123971564 >>>>> I realize you are looking for something different here, but just >>>>> wanted to put in another good word for these bags! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it >>>>>> relates to: >>>>>> — ease of access >>>>>> — weatherproof >>>>>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness >>>>>> — other issues that stand out? >>>>>> >>>>>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much >>>>>> play there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) >>>>>> anchored to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my >>>>>> daughter’s Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look >>>>>> weatherproof enough and the wooden chord closure thingy has already >>>>>> snagged >>>>>> on bits of brush and that just on the MUPS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new >>>>>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, >>>>>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, >>>>>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go >>>>>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your >>>>>> experience with them? >>>>>> >>>>>> With abandon, >>>>>> Patrick >>>>>> >>>>>> www.OurHolyConception.org >>>>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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