> Recently I scored a few "Cycing" weeklies from the late 30s and early
> 40s and a lot of the touring they talk about are rides of 2-3 days at
> most, with a few things in a saddlebag and staying in hostels and
> B&Bs.  The kind of touring I would find appealing, actually, rather
> than riding a two wheeled Winnebago around the world. Modest scope in
> terms of mileage, large scope in terms of experience.

Both types of trips are fun.  Long tours with at least some time spent
sleeping under the stars is a wonderful experience.  If you can find
the time to plan and go I cannot think of a better way to spend it.

Short B&B or hostel trips are much easier on time demands.  A
lifestyle that incorporates at least one or two such trips annually
has many benefits both physical and mental.

On Dec 22, 11:16 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> > I've long thought that bike touring should be a broader, more
> > inclusive term, not limited to multi-month expeditions with 100 lbs of
> > extreme survival gear on the bike. I'd go a step further and include
> > my usual non-competitive day rides with no overnight component in the
> > "touring" category.
>
> I agree that the definition of "touring" in the US tends to be  
> extremified and implies round the world, across the country, etc.  
> type rides.  A touring ride is any ride where your goal is to go  
> somewhere and see the place (versus riding to work where the intent  
> is to get to work, or racing where the intent is to win, or brevets  
> where the intent is to complete a specified ride within a time frame,  
> etc.).  It doesn't even have to be a ride in unfamiliar territory.  
> My personal definition of a "tour" would be a ride that includes  
> sleeping away from home with the intent of exploring some place and  
> learning something about it.  Grant's notion of an S24O certainly  
> falls into that category IMHO.  I've done a grand total of two tours  
> by that definition and had a *wonderful* time on both.  Definitely  
> want to do more.
>
> http://www2.bitstream.net/~timmcn/tour2000.html
>
> http://www2.bitstream.net/~timmcn/alps2002-1.html
>
> Recently I scored a few "Cycing" weeklies from the late 30s and early  
> 40s and a lot of the touring they talk about are rides of 2-3 days at  
> most, with a few things in a saddlebag and staying in hostels and  
> B&Bs.  The kind of touring I would find appealing, actually, rather  
> than riding a two wheeled Winnebago around the world. Modest scope in  
> terms of mileage, large scope in terms of experience.
>
> > Anyway, I imagine that Grant figured the "touring
> > bike" market was limited by the narrow connotations of touring, so he
> > advocated a more accessible thing (S24O) people can do with the
> > touring bikes and gear he is trying to sell. ACA also stands to gain
> > from expanding the definition of bike touring, and it's good that they
> > publish stuff like this.
>
> I'm sure that's true, too.  The market of people who want to ride  
> 3,000 miles in a month is probably fairly small.  The people who'd  
> ride 40 miles to another town, stay overnight, and come home is  
> probably larger.

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