​Howdy folks.

I am not sure I would buy either, I am more of a roll-it-yourself bike guy
and generally like "sporty" bikes, but I am intrigued by these (especially
the Joe A).  I was reading up on them, and it isn't obvious to me why I
would pick one over the other, assuming cost isn't an issue.

I gather the Clem is more heavy duty, and clearly sizing is or can involve
compromise.  IIRC, my PBH is 79cm, measured by GP himself back in '98 when
I dropped by RBW world headquarters to order a Road Standard.  Using that
number, it appears RBW would recommend the 52cm Clem and the 51cm Joe A.
My typical saddle height is 72cm, maybe a bit lower on a flat pedal bike
like these.  What I see then is that the Clem will have such a long TT that
only bars that come back a lot will be viable and the standover is as high
or higher than anything else I have ridden.  A 45cm Clem puts the TT in the
range of normal and standover would be great, but it is much smaller than
any other bikes I have/have had.

I think RBW would put me on a 51cm Joe A, which has a relatively short TT,
shorter than the 45cm Clem.  This would be drop bar compatible with a
reasonable length stem, not that I need another drop bar bike.​  I can't
seem to find it now, but something I saw led me to believe a 55cm Joe A
would really be a bit too big for me, but maybe no moreso than a 52cm
Clem.  Also, I would probably be "slamming" the bar/stem on either of
these, don't see the need for bars any/much higher than saddle height, and
bigger frame means higher lowest bar height.  Any thoughts or words of
wisdom?  I assume a Joe A is lighter than a Clem, any idea how much in a
similar size?

Thanks, Doug

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