I've had Phil BB bearings go bad in just one season from water intrusion. In my case, it wasn't even submersion or winter riding. Regular rainwater had made its way into the frame and pooled down at the BB shell. I removed the Phil after noticing it was spinning a little rough, and sure enough there were rust stains all over it and inside the BB shell. It was out of warranty, so I had no choice but to pony up for new bearings. At least Phil doesn't charge much for servicing; the bulk of the cost is the bearings themselves. But I was annoyed-- those bearings should withstand water intrusion better than they do.
Anton On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Yeah I thought about that, but that will put it out of service for at > least two weeks, plus 30 bucks in shipping. Alternatively I could go down > to a bearing supplier and get equally high end bearings for under 30 bucks > and replace them myself, have it back on the road in an evening. Phil has > been good to me with fast turn-around and customer service, it's just the > US/Canada thing that gets in the way. > > I've heard of their BB's lasting way, way longer than mine on a regular > occasion. My suspicion is that my bearings are rough either because they've > been submerged in water briefly (remember the s24o report where I attempted > to carrying the Atlantis across a swamp? The bb definitely took a bath), or > they were over-torqued on installation (I didn't use a torque wrench, next > time I will. I've found reports online of premature bearing wear as a > result of over tightening). > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Ryan Fleming <ryanmallo...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> I would try sending it to phil wood...I feel like it should last longer >> than it did >> >> >> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:35:59 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote: >>> >>> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame >>> and gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I >>> used painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from >>> the top liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to >>> coat everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside >>> my apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a >>> bit, into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but >>> rather retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news >>> was I discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings >>> already. Not impressed. >>> >>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote: >>>> >>>> I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry >>>> it too. >>>> >>>> KJ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've >>>>> used Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times >>>>> over the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with >>>>> Boeshield or LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does need to be >>>>> periodically repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant, >>>>> with , I think, lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I >>>>>> forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It >>>>>> was naaaasty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt >>>>>> cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere? >>>>>> >>>>>> White vinegar! >>>>>> >>>>>> I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with >>>>>> vinegar, and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust >>>>>> loose >>>>>> when I'd shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times >>>>>> a >>>>>> day. A week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it >>>>>> came >>>>>> out 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to >>>>>> prevent rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, >>>>>> but >>>>>> the vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty >>>>>> bicycle frame. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM, drew <drewbe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> amsoil hdmp is, from what i can tell, the exact same thing as jpw >>>>>>> frame saver. it's awesome. boeshield feels watery and runny, but >>>>>>> amsoil/framesaver sticks and runs the right amount to make you >>>>>>> confident >>>>>>> that its on, and staying on, all surfaces. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> if you are worried about rust that you already have, i had great >>>>>>> luck refurbishing a rust bucket frame with THIS >>>>>>> <http://www.zoro.com/metal-rescue-rust-remover-non-toxic-ph-neutral-metalrescue1gal/i/G7491915/?gclid=CP7WjMXUmsoCFZKCfgodhOMDqQ&gclsrc=aw.ds> >>>>>>> product. >>>>>>> i stripped the frame, plugged all holes, filled the frame with the >>>>>>> liquid for about a day, dumped it out and with it came the rust. then >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> applied amsoil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/5R_GOC2bTSM/unsubscribe >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/5R_GOC2bTSM/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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