*shrug* At least for my part, the 'comparison' was less to compare A to B 
than to clarify the biases I had going in. The Clem replaced my previous 
every day ride in my line-up, so, I can only talk about how it feels in a 
reasonable way in relation to the last thing I was riding. My opinions on 
it might've been very different if I'd spent all summer on my aluminum disc 
hybrid or the 3-speed roadster instead.

So, you know, I'd have to say it's definitely more 'limey' than 'lemony' in 
this case, for sure.

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 12:01:58 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   This question reminds me of ... oh for example .... fruit.  I like 
> oranges , I like bananas , I like pineapples and I like grapefruits and 
> mangoes and kiwi and all berries !   Just how "fruity" is one compared to 
> the other ?  Ahaahahah !   Not mocking in any way, rather pointing to the 
> truth of the matter no 2 are ever alike and thus each incomparable , all at 
> the same time being "fruity" .   Comparisons are inconceivable as All are 
> already perfectly "fruity" in their nature being wholly Fruit . 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 6:16:54 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> Now that the Clems have been out in the wild for a while now, how 
>> "lively" do people think the frame is? I know Riv built this frame to be on 
>> the tough side, but my briefly owned Cheviot felt pretty lively to me, so 
>> I'm wondering if the Clem is in that ballpark (though I think the Cheviut 
>> benefits from not having a top tube.... 0/0/0 wall thickness!)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Eric Daume
>> Dublin, OH
>>
>

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