"I found carrying stuff on the top of the rear rack irritating. It made 
getting into the panniers a pain"

Same here.  One solution is a rear rack with lower rails for the panniers, 
freeing up the platform area for independent loading & unloading, making 
the whole thing less of Rubik's cube.  Tubus has a couple of racks and the 
latest Nittos from Rivendell have added a lower rail.  Large objects on the 
rack platform can still get in the way of pannier access but it's less of a 
problem.  

dougP

On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 9:00:32 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>
>  I found carrying stuff on the top of the rear rack irritating. It made 
>> getting into the panniers a pain. After years of trying every kind of 
>> setup, I found one I am happy with. I was running the typical setup, small 
>> panniers in the front and large in the rear, with bag and tent on top of 
>> the rear rack. Lots of shimmy. I eventually bought the large Nitto front 
>> rack and large Ortliebs for the front.  On the front, my sleeping  bag goes 
>> in one, tent in the other and the top of the rear rack remains clear, for 
>> tent poles and Tenkara rod. There is enough room in the front for overflow 
>> food etc. On pavement it is more stable. I can access all my panniers 
>> without frustration.   I just ordered Albatross bars due to hand issues and 
>> hope that they work well with this setup.
>>
>      
>     Claytonious Q (Bend) 
>

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