Exactly.  A 12-pack is when you've already given up on lightweight and are 
running a Wald basket with zipties (NTTAWWT).  A fine sipping whisky is 
much more efficient on a custom cycle with custom bespoke racks.  

On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 2:34:06 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> On 09/02/2015 05:16 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I'm just waiting for the day when Patrick Moore decides to fret over the 
> real problem:  the weight of groceries.  
>
> Imagine how sprightly your rig would be if you could pack 40 pounds of 
> caloric content into 25 pounds of groceries.  There are certainly beverages 
> that will deliver the punch of a 12 pack of IPA at a fraction of the weight 
> (and still be very tasty to drink).  
>
>
> Here's a choice of tasty light-weight beverages that will pack plenty of 
> punch for their small size and weight:
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> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 1:24:57 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote: 
>>
>> I've found that when I changed h'bars to albas or boscoes I could carry 
>> much more on the front end without affecting handling when compared to 
>> drops. Loading the rear only with all my weight back there makes the bike 
>> pretty squirrely. I've found this to be true with my Raleigh International 
>> & Handsome XOXO, neither a Riv, but both similar in geometry... Just my two 
>> cents, but I bet if you're riding a higher trail bike w/ drops & a bit of 
>> your weight up front, you'll want more weight in back panniers.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eric
>>
>>
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