>
>  I found carrying stuff on the top of the rear rack irritating. It made 
> getting into the panniers a pain. After years of trying every kind of 
> setup, I found one I am happy with. I was running the typical setup, small 
> panniers in the front and large in the rear, with bag and tent on top of 
> the rear rack. Lots of shimmy. I eventually bought the large Nitto front 
> rack and large Ortliebs for the front.  On the front, my sleeping  bag goes 
> in one, tent in the other and the top of the rear rack remains clear, for 
> tent poles and Tenkara rod. There is enough room in the front for overflow 
> food etc. On pavement it is more stable. I can access all my panniers 
> without frustration.   I just ordered Albatross bars due to hand issues and 
> hope that they work well with this setup.
>
     
    Claytonious Q (Bend) 

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