Forgot to add that even the oldest and apparently most used of the Phil bbs
and hubs I've owned *all* turned as smoothly, or (one or two) almost as
smoothly, as the new ones I've turned. I've never maintained any of them.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just for the record: in many miles and years of using Phil ss/fixed hubs
> and bbs, many of each bought second or third or any other-hand -- the
> wheelset on the erstwhile Herse used 3-piece Phil fw hubs -- in admittedly
> dry conditions, I've never had any problem except twice with loosening bb
> lockrings that were fixed with re-tightening. This includes the current,
> old, steel-shelled -- how old, how many owners? -- bb on the Ram which was
> converted from 116 to 103 using a hammer; and the custom 145 bb on a fixed
> mtb that was ridden into 2 feet of water and never serviced -- it spun as
> new when I disassembled the bike a year or so later (the ti Phil bb on my
> commuter also got plenty of drenching rain and deep puddles).
>
> I don't say that Phill bbs and hubs won't degrade quickly in regular wet
> weather use; don't know. But that is my experience (and my brother's, which
> is even more extensive than mine -- So Cal, mostly). Also, my last *new* Phil
> purchase (as opposed to much more recent purchases of even older and used
> bbs and hubs) was the 2003 Ti bb for the commuter; perhaps the new ones
> aren't up to the old ones.
>



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