Pudge, I have ice-skate feet - 13 narrow.  The Chrome's fit them well, and 
they go great inside toe clips, but they run narrow and I wouldn't 
recommend them to someone with wide feet.  
As far as the Merrell Proterras, they have great arch support, and a wide 
platform - they give you room to splay your toes out, like spreading your 
fingers inside the shoes.  

On Monday, November 17, 2014 10:47:10 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
>  +1 on the Chromes – love ‘em.  Pretty good looking, too
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mc
> *Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2014 11:42 AM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Shoe Recommendations for VP Thin Gripsters (or Grip 
> Kings)
>
>  
>  
> I've ridden long hard miles without foot pain on both grip kings and VP001 
> in Merrell Proterra Sport shoes.  I paid retail for mine, and would do it 
> again, though they're beginning to pop up with discounted prices around the 
> net.  I usually ride the platform pedals centered on my arch, though it's 
> also easy to move my foot back to the ball of my foot.  
>  
> On my go-fast with MKS Keirin pedals and toe clips, I wear Chrome 
> sneakers.  Here the pedal is fixed to the ball of my foot.  The Chrome 
> sneakers have solid, lightweight shanks and I definitely get no foot strain 
> in those shoes.  Before the Chrome, I tried other tennis shoes on these 
> pedals and could work up some serious arch strain.  But again, solved 
> completely with Chrome sneakers.  
>  
> I have fivetens for my kayak - haven't biked in them.  
>  
>
> On Monday, November 17, 2014 8:17:16 AM UTC-6, Surlyprof wrote:
>  
> I've been using sneakers by Puma or Clarks when riding my Hillborne with 
> either a set of MKS Grip Kings or VP Thin Gripster pedals (which I highly 
> recommend!).  My feet sometimes ache after a long ride in squishy shoes. 
>  Has anyone found a stiffer soled shoe that they like with sneaker pedals?
>  
>  
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> John
>    
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