On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> > <thill....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Technomic Deluxe stems are forged. Non-deluxe stems are cast. At
> >> least
> >> that's my understanding.
> >>
> >> I highly doubt that many companies are looking to move into the
> >> higher-
> >> end quill stem market. Aside from Riv, the only bikes that need those
> >> stems in any numbers are old bikes. From the industry standpoint: if
> >> somebody is riding some old bike, it is unlikely that they are gonna
> >> pay $50+ for a replacement stem. Look at the dwindling variety of
> >> threaded headsets. It's considered a dying, if not dead market.
> >
> > But to be honest the parts from nitto are the least of the items I was
> > concerned about. The frames from toyo are the item which seem to be
> > commanding the large price increases. So that's my main curiosity. Is
> > there really no feasible way to level out the exchange rate by
> > producing more of the frames in north america?
> >
> > It's not like toyo and wateford are the only two frame builders in the
> > world, right? Do all the frames have to be built in the same couple of
> > places by the same subset of people? Apparently so.
>
> No, but there are very few US frame building shops that can make 500
> frames in a month for a house brand. There's Waterford and that's
> abotu it.  Match tried and went toes-up fairly quickly.  Most frame
> builders in the US are one person operations and unable to meet a
> demand higher than one frame a week or even less- most of those frame
> builders are artisan hobbyists who make a living doing something else.
>
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> What was wrong w/ the match business model?  Have things changed since then
(10 years?) so another production frame company could get enough business?


-- 
Cheers,
David
Redlands, CA

"Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something
wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
scientist guy

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