On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Seth Vidal wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> <thill....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Technomic Deluxe stems are forged. Non-deluxe stems are cast. At  
>> least
>> that's my understanding.
>>
>> I highly doubt that many companies are looking to move into the  
>> higher-
>> end quill stem market. Aside from Riv, the only bikes that need those
>> stems in any numbers are old bikes. From the industry standpoint: if
>> somebody is riding some old bike, it is unlikely that they are gonna
>> pay $50+ for a replacement stem. Look at the dwindling variety of
>> threaded headsets. It's considered a dying, if not dead market.
>
> But to be honest the parts from nitto are the least of the items I was
> concerned about. The frames from toyo are the item which seem to be
> commanding the large price increases. So that's my main curiosity. Is
> there really no feasible way to level out the exchange rate by
> producing more of the frames in north america?
>
> It's not like toyo and wateford are the only two frame builders in the
> world, right? Do all the frames have to be built in the same couple of
> places by the same subset of people? Apparently so.

No, but there are very few US frame building shops that can make 500  
frames in a month for a house brand. There's Waterford and that's  
abotu it.  Match tried and went toes-up fairly quickly.  Most frame  
builders in the US are one person operations and unable to meet a  
demand higher than one frame a week or even less- most of those frame  
builders are artisan hobbyists who make a living doing something else.


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