If you were to build the same, sport-touring frame and fork (we can take
the Roadeo as a well known to all example of the design I mean) with
similar clearances, similar "braze-ons", and with similar long-term
durability, out of top quality steel and out of carbon fiber, how much
weight would you save with the carbon fiber?

I'm not concerned in this discussion with the catastrophic fail rate of CF
versus steel; I'm interested in a CF frameset that under the same normal
use as the Roadeo would last as long as the Roadeo.

Nor am I concerned about building into the steel frameset any extra measure
of safety; just your typical top quality steel sport-tourer type of frame.

That is to say: no stupid light gauge or design on either frameset, nor any
scrupulous over building. I know that you can buy a CF racing frame that
weighs less than 2 lb in a small size, but I want to compare a carbon fiber
frame and fork that are as durable and have as much clearance as their
steel counterparts.

Use whatever strength-to-weight tweaking tricks you can; just have the CF
frameset be as long-term-reliable as the steel one made from top quality
tubing. Again, how much weight difference?

So much of our discussions about CF versus steel seem to be comparing
apples to kumkwats.

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