On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 09:43 -0700, Brewster Fong wrote:
> On the Serotta board, someone pleaded for people to "invest" in Kirk
> Pacenti's Pari-Moto road tire (584x38). The poster stated Kirk needed
> 200 pairs pre-ordered by 8/15 at a cost of $118/pair. Does anyone know
> if Kirk made it?
> 
> I'm curious as to the size of the 650b market. If there's "growth," is
> it mainly mtb (27.5")? I have a buddy who just build up a custom Rock
> Lobster 650b bike, but its an mtb. He said Paul Sadoff has only done a
> few of these and all mtbers. My buddy is only 5'7 or 5'8, but he loves
> the ride of his new bike!
> 
> What's the demand for road 650b?


There are many top-tier custom builders who can make you a magnificent
650B randonneur or all-arounder.  To name just a few that readily come
to my mind: Peter Weigle, Bilenky, Tournesol, Ebisu.  I am not a MTB
guy, so I can't speak to that market.  I do have 3 650B road bikes; one
is set up as a porteur, one is a touring bike and the third is a rough
stuff randonneur.  They all perform their jobs magnificently.  Those
custom builders aren't making 559 all arounders, randonneurs or touring
bikes.  You might call that a niche, but it's a mighty important one
IMHO.

If you have never ridden a supple 50 psi tire that's 42mm wide like the
Hetre on a gravel road you simply do not know and can't have any idea.

>   For example, 650b seems to make
> sense for making older "racing" style bikes more useful, i.e., you can
> take basically any old racer like a Masi or Colnago, put on 650b
> wheels and run 32 or 35mm wide tires. Alternatively, 650b seems to
> work for those with shorter legs too.

That's all true.  However, none of my three are conversions, all are
purpose-built 650B bikes, and all are 60 or 61.5 cm in size.  My 700C
bikes are 59 or 59.5 cm.


> But, is there really that many people demanding road 650b or is it
> just another fading fad?

It isn't fading, and it never was a fad.  Hula hoops were a fad.  650B
was and is a niche market. 





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