Doug's modifier ("ignorant") was referring to potential bicycle
consumers who see little difference between a bike like the Rodeo and
the new steel Allez. It wasn't referring to me, the forum member. It
was hypothetical.
Back to the previous point, I do think that such ignorance is out
there, which was precisely my point about why it's now a challenge for
well-made lugged steel bikes to achieve mass appeal. They cost a lot,
because they are worth a lot, but many people don't know why.
About the Allez, it actually looks pretty nice, pretty classic looking.
The lack of lugs and the threadless stem distinguish it from the Allez
of 20 years ago, but (going from memory), what I saw in the photo
looked like a throwback. I think the fork is matching steel, but I
can't remember for sure. I'd have to go back to the shop to look at the
catalog again.
I did look at its geometry. It's classic road racing geometry with 41
cm chainstay and typical racing bike angles. Also, it doesn't come in a
size big enough for someone like me. The largest size will be a 61 cm.
The Roadeo's design will be far superior.
-James W.
On Aug 15, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Hey folks, just a reminder that to keep the tone positive,
> constructive, and civil around here, lest the mighty hand of
> cyclofiend come in here and regulate. I'm going to stick my neck out
> and say that calling another forum member "ignorant" isn't called
> for. I've seen a lot of other forums lose a lot of their membership/
> quality through pervasive negativeness recently and I'd hate to see
> the same happen here.
>
> -Jeremy "rides a welded steel road bike that i'd say rides like a
> classic, but that's not the reason I'm posting" Till
>
> On Aug 15, 12:18 pm, Doug Van Cleve <dvancl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Howdy folks.
>>
>> The welded Allez may well be a nice addition to the market, but there
>> really
>> isn't anything very classic about a welded steel frame (other than the
>> steel). Sure, there are truly classic road bike that were welded
>> (typically
>> gas welded I believe) but it was never common on good road bikes
>> before the
>> rise of the mountain bike. IMHO only somebody quite ignorant about
>> road
>> bikes would lump a lugged, Waterford built frameset in the same
>> category as
>> a Taiwan welded frame with a carbon fiber fork (just guessing on the
>> fork)...
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:17 PM, James Warren
>> <jimcwar...@earthlink.net>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Esteban <proto...@gmail.com>
>>>> This bike could achieve some real cross-over appeal with the folks
>>>> who
>>>> pass me on the Coast Highway.
>>
>>> But it will have some tough competition from Specialized's steel
>>> Allez that
>>> they are re-introducing next year. The two bikes are actuallly quite
>>> different (for example, the steel Allez will come with downtube
>>> shifters and
>>> has short chainstays), but I think many of the cross-over people you
>>> are
>>> talking about will lump them together as "classic steel". However,
>>> the
>>> welded steel Allez will be much lower in price.
>>
>>> I myself prefer the Rivendell and know the thought they put into
>>> things,
>>> but with that quality comes a legit high pricetag, and that limits
>>> the
>>> crossover appeal, because people oversimplify things.
>>
>>> -James
> >
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