In all fairness to Mark, it must be kept in mind that the goal was to
build the prototype with weight in mind, given that the Roadeo is
intended as a lightweight club rider.

I'm not sure about the particular Ritchey stem he used, but since many
of those sorts of stems weigh just a little over 100g, there is a not
inconsiderable weight savings compared to the otherwise very nice
Nitto stem that Steve linked to above, which weighs in the
neighborhood of 300g. That's somewhere between a 1/3 to 1/2 lb.
difference, if my math is correct.

If they succeed in getting the final build below 20 lbs, it would go
some way toward demonstrating that lugged steel and lightweight bikes
are not mutually exclusive categories, even if the bike still carries
what some may consider a 3 or 4 lb weight "penalty" with respect to
the latest carbon machines.

On Aug 14, 5:03 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 17:36 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> >> On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Rocky B wrote:
>
> >>> Great-looking bike.  Can't wait to see the final version.
>
> >>> Is it me or does lugged frames with threadless stems look weird?  I
> >>> can never get used to them together.
>
> >> They looked fine when Alex Singer and Rene Herse did them 50 years
> >> ago.  And Tom Ritchey did them in the 1970s, too.  I think the issue
> >> is that the modern threadless stem tends to have a big fat tube
> >> instead of an elegant looking tube for the extension.
>
> > It doesn't have to be that way:
> >http://www.businesscycles.com/graphics/tstem-nitto_tless.jpg
> >http://www.businesscycles.com/graphics/tstem-nitto_tless3.jpg
>
> > I'd call that "elegant"
>
> Me, too.  Hence why I mentioned them earlier as preferable to the fat  
> black Ritchey stem in the photo.
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